Template:Did you know nominations/Serpent Seed
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 05:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Serpent seed
- ... that the serpent seed is a fringe belief that claims the Serpent mated with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and their offspring was Cain?Source: "Christian Identity". Anti-Defamation League. "Many [within Christian Identity] consider Jews to be the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non-whites are "mud peoples" created before Adam and Eve. Its virulent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-government sentiments."
- ALT1:... that the Gnostic Gospel of Philip (c. 350) contains a version of serpent seed idea that Eve mated with the Serpent and their offspring was Cain? Source: Gospel of Philip 61:5-10: First adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he (Cain) was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.
5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
- Reviewing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
DYKcheck seems to suggest that the update happened on the 15th, so that's fine. Clearly long enough, no copyvio found. Happy with the topic being on main page, however, I would like the hook to be a bit cleaner, maybe replace "fringe" with "controversial"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Lee Vilenski: nom hasn't responded in the seventeen days, so I'll try and speed this along. Yes, I'd be fine with changing fringe to controversial, but I'm slightly iffy on the sourcing here. Per WP:RSP, the ADL has to be attributed when it labels an organization or person (or ideology). I might be misreading, but I don't think the sourcing is strong enough for DYK? The article sourcing does not appear to be up to snuff either. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
There is consensus that ADL is a generally reliable source, including for topics related to hate groups and extremism in the U.S. There is no consensus that ADL must be attributed in all cases, but there is consensus that the labelling of organisations and individuals by the ADL (particularly as antisemitic) should be attributed.
I'm not sure how these aren't met by giving a vague outline of what the topic is. I think the sourcing is fine for DYK. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Could do with a fresh look from a new reviwer. Desertarun (talk) 11:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Lee Vilenski that the sourcing is fine for DYK. I will approve the hook version mentioned earlier - ... that the serpent seed is a controversial belief that claims the Serpent mated with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and their offspring was Cain? SL93 (talk) 00:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
