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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:32, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Purabá de Santa Bárbara[edit]

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Neighborhood in Purabá de Santa Bárbara

Created by Mvblair (talk). Self nominated at 18:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC).

  • Prose 3636B (565 words), created 12 June (2 days before nomination), neutral and well-sourced. Sources are in Spanish, so I AGF that they they have been used accurately without copyvio or close paraphrasing. The only image used is CCS3-licensed by the creator of the article.
    The hook fact is sourced, but the link is to a website which currently fails to load and isn't in the internet archive.
    I suggest a slight tweak to the hook, to clarify where the district is located ("Purabá de Santa Bárbara district in Costa Rica) ... but the question for me that while the hook fact appears mildly interesting, it doesn't say whether growing sugar cane at this altitude is unique to this district (which would be very hooky), or common in Costa Rica (in which case it is less hooky).
    Can the nominator please clarify this? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, BrownHairedGirl. I checked the link and it appears to be working at the moment. Growing sugarcane at that altitude is unique to Costa Rica, but more unique to the, well, altitude. I'm not an expert in agriculture, but I've read that it's mostly grown at sea-level or just a few feet above (I tweaked the hook to hopefully reflect that). Do you think another hook might be better? Perhaps something like "... despite the twenty-four wells and springs in the area, Purabá de Santa Bárbara still has water delivery problems?" Mvblair (talk) 14:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Mvblair, thanks for the reply. The link still fails to load, with a message about data corrupted in transmission. Maybe the internet isn't so global after all :(
    Anyway, I am happy to AGF on the refs. As to the hook, water delivery problems seem very weak. Heck, even here in wealthy Ireland (widely mocked as a very rainy place), significant parts of the country have water supply problems. So that's not really front page news.
    I reckon that the sugar cane thing is the one to go for, so long as you don't appear to be claiming that Santa Bárbara is totally unique; instead, why not use it to illustrate your point that Costa Rica tends to grow it at high altitude, and this is an extreme case. Can you expand the article a little to make that point? If so, we got a hook :) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • BrownHairedGirl, good suggestions. Let me see if I can rustle up a source or two and expand that section of the article! Mvblair (talk) 23:09, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your help with the hook,

BrownHairedGirl; however, I'm going to submit an alternative hook. It is unusual for sugarcane to be grown above 1,000 meters, but from what I'm reading, it is still done in many places. How about the following? I think it provides more general interest, in any event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvblair (talk • contribs) 02:50, 26 June 2014

  • Mvblair, I think that the hook would be OK if it was supported by the reference. The source is in Spanish and I don't read Spanish, so I used Google Translate. The translated version is slightly garbled:
From when I was a child I have few memories almost did not have to work, because I had the opportunity to study, but if I had to help my dad with the land where he used to plant tomatoes and bananas. I enjoyed my childhood of playing make mills in a ditch with the branches of the banana tree, also my dad made us rag dolls and wooden.
... but I don't see it saying anything about the ubiquity of sugarcane, and it refers only to one child making a play sugar mill (rather than this being a common practice). Please correct me if I am being misled by a poor translation, but as it stands I think that the hook is unsupported by the source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
The translation is up to the usual machine standard, but you are right that it doesn't mention anything about the ubiquity of sugarmills (that whole paragraph in the article is a bit dodgy). Belle (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • this link says that the district is "Set on the flanks of the impressive Barva Volcano". Great hook but it's part of a sales hype. Can we get a better (maybe Spanish-language) citation for the volcano location? --Storye book (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
This says it extends from the foothills of the Barva Massif at 2.400m above sea level down to 1.000m above sea level at San Juan. Not sure that is that hooky for non-geologists (it would be different if it was hidden in the crater and was only accessible by swimming through a gas-filled cave or by ninjas with grappling hooks) Belle (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Belle. I have added the ALT2 hook, extra information and citations into the article. --Storye book (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that the highest part of Purabá de Santa Bárbara (neighborhood pictured) is in the foothills of Barva Volcano? --Storye book (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Citations #8 and #9 for ALT2. Note: the image shows an unknown part of the area, i.e. not necessarily the highest part - so you may wish to remove the image. Pinging BrownHairedGirl in case you would like to review the new hook?. --Storye book (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to check ALT2, and weigh in on image question. (BrownHairedGirl has not returned.) Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
    Sorry. I think that I am kinda burnt out on this article, and that is better if I leave it to someone else to take it from here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:51, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is good to go. The ALT2 hook fact is supported by footnote 8, supplemented by footnote 9. I did a bit of rewording and added some additional footnote callouts to make the sourcing clear. Also, I added links (in the article and the hook) to Barva Volcano. AGF on the rest of the review -- trusting BHG's work.
Since the image is stated to be a neighborhood (barrio in Spanish), I added that word to the "pictured" item in the hook. That addition overcomes the issue of location, making the image OK for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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