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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Orders, decorations, and medals of Chile[edit]

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Silver neck badge with the text "VENCE. EN CHA." and "LEGION DE MERITO DE CHILE".

  • Reviewed: Rebecca Henderson
  • Comment: Using the actual article title would be very clunky use of English and chew up the character limit; this is not in keeping with the DYK intent of succinct engaging hooks - hence I have piped it. Article title is consistent with similar articles on national ODM systems with the same scope. The source for the establishment information in the hook is on page 1 of the first citation. For convenience, since the source is in Spanish and hasn't had OCR run on it, the relevant extract is provided here:
    "De los decretos expedidos por el Exmo. Sr. Director Supremo, sobre la institucion y reglamento de la Legion de Merito de Chile, creada en primero de junio de mil ochocientos diez y siete años, y de lo acordado en las actas posteriores del consejo de la misma hasta el dia de la fecha. Queriendo consagrar un monumento eterno que glorifique la memoria del año VIII de la Libertad, en que la nacion ha vuelto a salir felizmente de su antigua opresion; he venido en instituir la Legion de Merito de Chile, que desde este momento queda sancionada. La Legion de Merito será la primera, la mas honorífica, y la mas estimable de la Nacion, El Gefe Supremo del Estado será siempre el gefe nato de ella".
    Google translate (using some of the secondary suggestions) interprets this as "Of the decrees issued by the Hon. Mr. Chief Justice, on the institution and procedure of the Legion of Merit of Chile, first established in June of 1817 years, and agreed in the minutes after the council of the same until the day of the date. Wanting to devote an eternal monument to glorify the memory of the year 8 of Liberty, in which the nation has turned out happily from their old oppression, I have come to institute the Legion of Merit of Chile, that from now is sanctioned. The Legion of Merit will be the first, the most honorable and most esteemed of the Nation, the Supreme Chief of the State will always be the chief, ex officio, of her"

Created by AusTerrapin (talk). Self nom at 18:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Hook mostly but not entirely verified AGF, source is in Spanish. Note that it isn't necessary to rely on Spanish-language only primary sources here. English histories exist (online even) that verify these facts too, and it helps the reader to cite the most accessible sources if they exist. Just saying. Orders, decorations, and medals of Chile does not actually say anywhere that Bernardo O'Higgins was of Irish ancestry. You have to click through to his Wikipedia bio to find out that he was born in Chile, of both Spanish and Irish ancestry; his father was a Spaniard born in Ireland. The source there is a PhD thesis in Spanish. Calling him an "Irishman" is correct in some senses of the word, according to the dictionary, but in this context might be misleading. And the DYK rules say it needs to be actually said in the article, not some other article.

    Length and age are good. Article is overall within policy, possibly a little overlinking, but not beyond DYK rules. Should be easy to synchronize the hook and the article (with a citation), regarding the "Irishman" question. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment: This is now fixed in a roundabout way - I've finished drafting the article on the Legion of Merit of Chile (moved to article space today) and have updated the hook to reflect its new status as a co-nomination (which also avoids two links to the one article). O'Higgins' national descent is included in the new article (I have worked it in so it is not a completely gratuitous remark) and I have provided a more precise description of his background. This bumps the character count over 200, but once the deduction for the (longer) co-nomination article name is applied, it brings it back to 200 characters. I would have used English sources for both articles if I could find them online - there is next to nothing available that has both substantive content (ie not just 'X was awarded a medal') and that meets WP:REL - I went with what I could access in the time frame.AusTerrapin (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The primary problem with the hook as it now is that the comparison to the US Legion of Merit is not in either article, and thus the hook fact about the earlier creation is unsourced and unsupported in them. This is a requirement for DYK: hook facts must be in the article and supported by inline sources. (The hook is also too long, clocking in at 200 or 201 characters depending on counting methodology.) I think it would still be an interesting hook without the problematic "over a century before the United States's Legion of Merit" final phrase:
  • ALT1 All good now. The contents of the hook are cited in both articles; mostly in the first. Length and age good. Within policy. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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