Template:Did you know nominations/Nirodh

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The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Nirodh

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Outdoor advertisement of Nirodh

• that Nirodh, the first condom brand in India is credited with success of birth control campaign in India? From 2.40% in 1964, Nirodh help India's population growth rate drop to 1.8% by 2005. (Source)
  • ALT1:... that Nirodh, the first condom brand in India, is credited with the success of birth control campaigns there, helping decrease the population growth rate from 2.4% in 1964 to 1.8% by 2005? Source: same as original hook

• Reviewed: Jørgen Jensen (soldier)

Created by AKS.9955 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:46, 27 August 2017 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: This is good to go.  FITINDIA  15:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• The hook has grammatical problems and should not be promoted as is (it's not the first condom brand period, it's the first one in India. It is also very unusual in that it is not a single sentence, and I suspect it will run into trouble for that as well, even if it is under 200 characters total. There is no reason why the hook facts cannot be combined into a single sentence. I was also wondering about the article's use of "Kamraj" (the source spells it "Kamaraj", identical to that prime minister), and whether any condoms were actually sold or distributed under that name, or if the name was changed to Nirodh prior to initial distribution. The source is unclear on that particular aspect of the name change. The article also has some grammatical issues; the most typical are missing "the" or "a". BlueMoonset (talk) 16:05, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: BlueMoonset, following;

1. First condom brand: Oversight corrected.
2. Not a single sentence: Unusual - perhaps. Incorrect - No. Reading makes more sense. You can perhaps recommend ALT1.

   Done. The original hook has been struck since grammatical issues remain; I very much doubt it would have survived in a two-sentence form. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

3. Name identical to Prime minister: Kamaraj was never the PM of India.

   Fine. President of the Congress party. The point remains: the name was the same of a highly prominent political figure. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

4. Kamaraj spelling: Done.
5. Any condoms were actually sold or distributed under that name: Read the source provided in the article. It clarifies what you mentioned above.

   The "Under control" source does not clarify, which was my point: it is unclear from its wording whether the problem with the name was realized and its change occurred prior to initial distribution or after. Another source seems to be a bit more definite on the side of prior to distribution: [1]. Assuming this is correct, then "initially given" should change to "initially to be given". BlueMoonset (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

6. Missing "the" or "a": I checked the article but could not find any such omissions. Please be specific.

   I have copyedited the History section of the article to show what sorts of edits are needed. The sheer number of changes there points to the desirability of requesting a full copyedit from the Guild of Copy Editors. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 16:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset and AKS.9955: I have copyedited the article, which should bring it withing the bounds of acceptable English. AKS.9955, can you address BluemMoonset's point about the naming? Also, I have made a minor edit to ALT1, changing "India's population growth rate" to "the population growth rate," as India is already referred to twice in the hook. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 22:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

• It has been a month without any action on the previous comment despite talk-page pings, and longer than that on my point regarding the name. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:12, 13 October 2017 (UTC)