Template:Did you know nominations/Nikolaus Hillebrand
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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Nikolaus Hillebrand[edit]
- ... that Nikolaus Hillebrand, who as a boy was a member of the Regensburger Domspatzen, recorded with them as a soloist Bach's St John Passion in 1979 and Dittersdorf's Requiem in 2009?
- Reviewed: Elizabeth Peer
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:28, 25 April 2016 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Hook refs verified and cited inline. I tweaked the hook for grammar. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
This article, including all facts in the hook, is quite reliant on the site bach-cantatas.com. Can you please clarify what is the nature of this source? It is not immediately clear to me from a pass around the site that this is a reliable source. Intelligentsium 00:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's the best collection of information about the performances of Bach's works we have. The biographies are taken from other sources (given at the bottom) and translated if needed. Unfortunately, the originals often get lost after a while, such as a bio in the information about a specific concert. - I am on vacation. I could try to dig up where else the bio is found, but not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- I looked. The only item I used from that source which isn't also in others (but in German) is that he was a member of the Regensburger Domspatzen. When I search for that combination, I find many biographies of his many students. I don't think it's contentious information. What do you think? - The recording information is also at Allmusic, or Amazon, - a recording is a recording, Bach-Cantatas has the best destails. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- German sources are fine. I've had a look at other pages on the site and unfortunately it appears some of the content on the site is sourced from Wikipedia. I would like to see reduced reliance on this source. Intelligentsium 13:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
- Only three facts are sourced to the site: 1) he was a former singer of the boy's choir, 2) he rnote ecorded the Christmas Oratorio with Schneidt, 3) he recorded the voice of Christ in the St. John Passion with Schneidt. Supporting the first, I found also this. For the recordings, you find also other sources but none of them as precise as Bach-Cantatas. Why not use the better one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
- It appears half of the sources (footnotes 1, 4, 5, and 6 out of 8) are to that site, with 1 cited 3 times. The detail available in the source is irrelevant if it cannot be determined that the source is reliable unfortunately. Do you happen to know the background of the author/editor of the site? I haven't been able to find a lot of information on him, but even though it's self-published, I think it can be considered reliable if the author is a music journalist or scholar, even if he's not terribly notable on his own. Intelligentsium 13:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps ask Yoninah or look at other articles, such as O ewiges Feuer, o Ursprung der Liebe, BWV 34? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- I have been accepting Gerda's articles for many years that reference this site. Looking at it more closely, I see that it is a user-generated site that cites other sources in bibliographies. The page usually offers a brief biography but is most valuable for the detail it provides about performances and recordings. IMO this is no different than special-interest historical, city, or ship-building sites. As long as biographical information is backed up by one or more other sources, I see no problem using bach-cantatas for Bach-related articles. Yoninah (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps ask Yoninah or look at other articles, such as O ewiges Feuer, o Ursprung der Liebe, BWV 34? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- It appears half of the sources (footnotes 1, 4, 5, and 6 out of 8) are to that site, with 1 cited 3 times. The detail available in the source is irrelevant if it cannot be determined that the source is reliable unfortunately. Do you happen to know the background of the author/editor of the site? I haven't been able to find a lot of information on him, but even though it's self-published, I think it can be considered reliable if the author is a music journalist or scholar, even if he's not terribly notable on his own. Intelligentsium 13:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Only three facts are sourced to the site: 1) he was a former singer of the boy's choir, 2) he rnote ecorded the Christmas Oratorio with Schneidt, 3) he recorded the voice of Christ in the St. John Passion with Schneidt. Supporting the first, I found also this. For the recordings, you find also other sources but none of them as precise as Bach-Cantatas. Why not use the better one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
- German sources are fine. I've had a look at other pages on the site and unfortunately it appears some of the content on the site is sourced from Wikipedia. I would like to see reduced reliance on this source. Intelligentsium 13:56, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
OK, you probably know the source better than I do then; I have no other concerns about this nomination. Intelligentsium 18:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
