Template:Did you know nominations/Messe de minuit pour Noël
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 19:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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Messe de minuit pour Noël
- ... that the Messe de minuit pour Noël is a midnight mass for Christmas that Marc-Antoine Charpentier composed for the Jesuit church in Paris, based on the melodies of ten French Christmas carols? Source: several
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to come - Comment: Charpentier is the one whose Te Deum melody sounds for every Eurovision broadcast. For Christmas please, 24 ot 25 December - midnight makes both possible ;)
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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Thoughtfortheday (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC).
- I think the hook fact itself has potential, but the hook might be too long and complicated to intrigue most readers. May I propose simplified versions of the original hook?
- ALT1 ... that Marc-Antoine Charpentier composed the midnight mass Messe de minuit pour Noël based on the melodies of ten French Christmas carols?
- ALT2 ... that Marc-Antoine Charpentier's Messe de minuit pour Noël is based on the melodies of ten French Christmas carols?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please tell me why you think that the information that it was for a Jesuit church, and which (and look how prominent!) in Paris this was written would be disturbing. I don't believe that most readers would know that already, - I didn't. Why would we not assume in good faith that our readers want to learn a bit more? Especially the probably few who have nothing better to do than reading DYK hooks at all on Christmas Eve ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Like what Chipmunkdavis said over at WT:DYK, a hook can have a solid hook fact core, but if there's too much extraneous explanations, it can turn off readers and turn intrigue into disinterest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- That's true, but isn't to the point of this nom. The church adds weight, - this could be some minor church in some minor town in Belgium, given the composer's French-sounding name, - I don't believe it's much, and certainly not too much in my book. - For the German Wikipedia, where I also plan to present this as this year's Christmas gift to the world, I will take your suggestion, because they don't have extra links besides the subject, but here, we have the chance to enlighten about a great building also, - call it the wrapping of the present to make it shine more ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Hajj: Journey to the Heart of Islam. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- Like what Chipmunkdavis said over at WT:DYK, a hook can have a solid hook fact core, but if there's too much extraneous explanations, it can turn off readers and turn intrigue into disinterest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Please tell me why you think that the information that it was for a Jesuit church, and which (and look how prominent!) in Paris this was written would be disturbing. I don't believe that most readers would know that already, - I didn't. Why would we not assume in good faith that our readers want to learn a bit more? Especially the probably few who have nothing better to do than reading DYK hooks at all on Christmas Eve ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
QPQ done, article new and long enough. Hook facts all present and cited in article, thanks to ref 2 in particular for being accessible. There are interesting elements to the hooks; I find alt0, due to phrasing, to be boring if not off-putting, starting with "[name] is a midnight mass for Christmas" as the apparent hooky fact and then just padding. The rephrased alt1 and alt2 are better, I find myself preferring alt1. The nominator seems to want to make sure the Jesuit church is mentioned; it is within a promoter's remit to tweak wording and I believe that finding a way to merge alt0's mention of the Jesuit church into alt1's structure would be covered there if a promoter so wished. Kingsif (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
