Template:Did you know nominations/Mazu Temple (Magong)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Mifter (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
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Mazu Temple (Magong)[edit]
- ... that Magong's Mazu Temple claims to be the oldest temple in Taiwan?
- ALT1:... that Magong, the seat of Taiwan's Pescadores Islands, grew up around and is named for its temple to Mazu?
- ALT2:... that, despite being Taiwan's oldest temple, the present-day Mazu Temple on Penghu Island mostly dates to a 1922 renovation?
- ALT3:... that Taiwan's oldest temple, the Mazu temple on Penghu Island, is mainly the result of artists from the mainland?
- ALT4:... that the Mazu Temple on Penghu Island, Taiwan's oldest, was renovated by both Yu Dayou and his son Yu Zigao, following their victories over Japanese pirates and the Dutch, respectively?
- Reviewed:
Will doHMS Negro - Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. Everything's covered but you only need to verify the hook(s) you're most interested in. If it's ALT3, I can change the article's wording if needed. (Tangshan, Guangzhou, and Chaozhou are on the mainland. It's not necessary for the article to mention that, but you might want it to for the hook.)
- Reviewed:
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC).
- I will review this article. Please give me a few hours. Since the article is short enough, I will probably go through every source to check close paraphrasing and correct attribution. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 14:17, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Review: Thank you for creating this article. I’m happy to see that this area of Wikipedia, which is definitely underrepresented, is getting worked on.
- [I] Introduction: per WP:LEAD, please make sure that all of the information in the introduction is included in the body paragraphs. Remember that the introduction is a summary of the article; it should not include new information.
- For example, the mention of the sea goddess Mazu and the Fujianese shamaness Lin Moniang are not mentioned anywhere else but the intro. Same thing goes for the location of the temple, and its open hours.
- [I] Introduction: per WP:LEAD, please make sure that all of the information in the introduction is included in the body paragraphs. Remember that the introduction is a summary of the article; it should not include new information.
- [II] DYK hook is accurate, interesting, and properly sourced.
- No work needed here. I'm going for the first hook.
- [III] A 1604 stele recording the ultimatum Yu Dayou's son Zigao gave to the Dutch to abandon Taiwan was discovered at the temple in 1919
- Could not find this attributed in the source provided.
- [II] DYK hook is accurate, interesting, and properly sourced.
- [IV] Under Japanese rule, the port of Magong was a major base of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Its characters were changed in 1920 … In Mandarin, however, the names no longer match, since the tone of the first syllable shifted from first to third.
- I could not find this in the source provided. Seems like the source has various other links that lead to different pages. Which one of those are they? We can put them together.
- [IV] Under Japanese rule, the port of Magong was a major base of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Its characters were changed in 1920 … In Mandarin, however, the names no longer match, since the tone of the first syllable shifted from first to third.
- [V] Sources: Question about the book “Running Away with the Circus”.
- Did you only use page 155 for this? If not, let me know and I can help you fix some of the citations and adding more pages you used. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 16:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Wow, nice thorough and polite review. Thanks for participating in DYK and please do stay around and class up the joint. Gimme a minute for replies to the individual notes. — LlywelynII 10:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
I) Eh, you're welcome to reread it, but that's a misrepresentation of WP:LEAD, which actually states "not everything in the lead must be repeated in the body of the text" (italics added). See White House for an example of a well-maintained article that only provides a building's address in its lead. (As a counterexample, Metropolitan Museum of Art goes into detail about the address in the body... but, looking more closely, only because it has changed over time.) I don't think repeating details about Mazu, the address, or the hours of operation in the body of this article is helpful until it's rather longer, given that they're mentioned and either sourced or linked already.
- You learn something every day! I was not aware of this, thank you for bringing it to my attention. You're good here!
- Wow, nice thorough and polite review. Thanks for participating in DYK and please do stay around and class up the joint. Gimme a minute for replies to the individual notes. — LlywelynII 10:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- [V] Sources: Question about the book “Running Away with the Circus”.
- III & IV) Neither of these citation questions relate to ALT0 or ALT1 and so are irrelevant to the DYK review, though they're very valid points that could be raised on the article's talk page. There may be a few unsourced points that were pulled in from other pages, but there shouldn't be anything that claims to be sourced that isn't. I'll look into it.
- Thank you, perfect. I figured that all the information was probably found in other sources already in the article. It's just a matter of attributing them correctly. If you plan to promote these to GA in the future, this may come up as a concern. Thanks again!
- The DYK seems finished but I'll just note this here since it came up and is easily dealt with. III is sourced to Lonely Planet, which exactly covers the statement being made. The only problem is that it uses the mistaken romanization "General Yu Tzu-kau" (Wade should be "Yu Tzu-kao") and Wikipedia uses pinyin, which turns it into "Yu Zigao". It's the same Chinese name transliterated two different ways. — LlywelynII 15:02, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, similarly, IV is about Magong the town. The information is available at its article and seems valid but isn't sourced at the moment. [I've gone ahead and tagged it.] The bit about English, Japanese, and the Chinese tones is valid but would need sourcing from dictionaries if we didn't have WP:BLUE. — LlywelynII 15:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- V) I'm not sure what the issue is here. Does it relate to the other two sourcing questions? If so, see above. — LlywelynII 14:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Sorta. I was wondering if you by any chance used several pages within the book. If so, I'd be more than happy to help you source this correctly page by page. Just let me know what pages they are and what sentences they source and I can take care of it.
- Very kind offer but a I'm pretty sure that's the only page of that book dealing with the temple and b, having double checked, all of the points referenced to it are on the page mentioned and linked in the article. — LlywelynII 15:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
My concerns were addressed and there is no problem with the hook. Article is long enough, DYK is referenced, no obvious copyright violations, etc. I'm going for the Original Hook. Great job! Keep them coming. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 14:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
