Template:Did you know nominations/Jessie Stephen
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 19:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Jessie Stephen[edit]
- ... that Scottish suffragette, Jessie Stephen (pictured) led attacks on Glasgow pillar boxes in 1913?
- ALT1:... that Scottish suffragette, Jessie Stephen (pictured) trained as a pupil-teacher but became a domestic worker because her family could not afford otherwise?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jacob, the Liar
- Comment: My QPQ review was done some time ago, but I didn't use it in conjunction with whatever article I was thinking of at the time. I trust it's still valid, but please say if I need to do another one. (I've done QPQ reviews from the word go, never taking advantage of the 5 "free" ones.) Thanks.
Created/expanded by Trevj (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Length and date check out, though the article is quite short (<2000 characters). The article is generally well referenced but had several "citations needed", some of which I have been able to supply from ODNB; however one remains and should probably be fixed. There is a conflict between ODNB and another source as to her place of birth (Oxford states Marylebone, London, rather than Glasgow); I suspect Oxford is correct as it is a much more detailed article. The first hook is largely covered by the online sources I can access, and I can AGF the details based on the offline sources. However, the alt1 hook I am slightly concerned over. "Pupil-teacher" is ambiguous and I had assumed it meant she was a pupil at a school whilst teaching younger students, rather than wished to become a teacher as implied in alt1? Snippet view of A Guid Cause mentions her ambition to teach but not that she was a pupil-teacher. Is this covered more explicitly elsewhere? I prefer the main hook on "hookiness", anyway. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. The {{cn}} tags were placed because I believed the info to be correct but couldn't find it in reliable sources. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full ODNB, so can't check anything else. The only offline source I've seen is the blue plaque - and that's because I've passed it almost daily for the last 5 years! I'm sure the userspace draft initially stated Marylebone as the place of birth, but then I found the Glasgow one, and that seemed to tie in better with the info from Leneman, although doesn't make it correct. I should probably mark it {{disputed-inline}}, but it's not in the hook so perhaps isn't critical. I'll try to check the pupil-teacher citation again soon. -- Trevj (talk) 00:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've e-mailed a copy. (Are you a UK library user? You can get online access via library card.) I don't think the place of birth needs to be resolved for DYK, but it would be good to state both with refs. Is the source for her standing for parliament the Wikipedia article on the constituency? It might be worth putting a note on the talk page to ask the editors there to clarify which source applies. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:36, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. The {{cn}} tags were placed because I believed the info to be correct but couldn't find it in reliable sources. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full ODNB, so can't check anything else. The only offline source I've seen is the blue plaque - and that's because I've passed it almost daily for the last 5 years! I'm sure the userspace draft initially stated Marylebone as the place of birth, but then I found the Glasgow one, and that seemed to tie in better with the info from Leneman, although doesn't make it correct. I should probably mark it {{disputed-inline}}, but it's not in the hook so perhaps isn't critical. I'll try to check the pupil-teacher citation again soon. -- Trevj (talk) 00:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- "Citation needed" tag needs to be resolved for DYK. D6 of the Supplementary Rules "D6: The article is likely to be rejected for unresolved edit-warring or the presence of dispute tags. (Removing the tags without consensus does not count.)" — Maile (talk) 00:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'm a UK library ticket holder, but haven't actually used my membership for a couple of years: I'll investigate and will check my email too. I've also invited members of
38 relevant WikiProjects to Talk:Jessie Stephen#Request for verification of a few points. If we can't get a WP:RS for the '64 general election, I don't think it'd be difficult to get consensus to simply omit that. Obviously it'd be preferable if it can stay in... providing it can be sourced. -- Trevj (talk) 01:48, 6 December 2012 (UTC)- There's still a bit more work to be done, although I'm not sure when I'll get to it. Most of the recent expansion wouldn't have happened were it not for pointers from the ODNB. What sort of timescale are we looking at? if I'd created this next March, I'd propose postponing until the 120th anniversary of her birth... but because we're in December, it'd hardly qualify as "newest content" if that were to happen! -- Trevj (talk) 13:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- The article seems to be coming along in leaps and bounds! Let me know when you want me to have another formal look. I don't think redlinks are a problem (they're even allowed in FAs these days!). Espresso Addict (talk) 14:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- There's still a bit more work to be done, although I'm not sure when I'll get to it. Most of the recent expansion wouldn't have happened were it not for pointers from the ODNB. What sort of timescale are we looking at? if I'd created this next March, I'd propose postponing until the 120th anniversary of her birth... but because we're in December, it'd hardly qualify as "newest content" if that were to happen! -- Trevj (talk) 13:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'm a UK library ticket holder, but haven't actually used my membership for a couple of years: I'll investigate and will check my email too. I've also invited members of
- "Citation needed" tag needs to be resolved for DYK. D6 of the Supplementary Rules "D6: The article is likely to be rejected for unresolved edit-warring or the presence of dispute tags. (Removing the tags without consensus does not count.)" — Maile (talk) 00:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Another thought: perhaps the blue plaque photo could be suggested for inclusion. When was the last time a blue plaque was on the Main Page? If this is worthy of consideration, it might be preferable to get the wall airbrushed out. Please bear in mind that I'm a little biased because I took the photo! Cheers.-- Trevj (talk) 02:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)- Forget this, this blog led me to search for the Bundesarchiv Bild pic, which turns out to already be on Commons!
-- Trevj (talk) 11:56, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Image has appropriate license and looks suitable at target size. I have included the name of the subject in the caption. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Forget this, this blog led me to search for the Bundesarchiv Bild pic, which turns out to already be on Commons!
- The number of redlinks (I count 4) is probably undesirable, but I couldn't find suitable articles to redirect them to. -- Trevj (talk) 11:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't plan on doing any more on this for the foreseeble future, and there's been little input from members of the various WikiProjects. Therefore, feel free to carry out a final review whenever's convenient. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 09:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I have re-reviewed and both hooks are now supported with citations (the main hook to online sources which check out; alt1 to offline). I still think the main hook is "hookier". All material appears appropriately referenced. Good to go! Espresso Addict (talk) 19:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
