Template:Did you know nominations/Indemnity Act 1717
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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
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Indemnity Act 1717, John Croker (engraver)[edit]
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that by the Act of Grace, hundreds of Jacobites were released from prison, although not quite all, an event marked by a Croker medal (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Jesuit College of Ingolstadt and Phialemonium curvatum
- Comment: Citations relied on for the hook are online, Stanhope (first seventeen words) and National Museums of Scotland (the rest of it)
Created by Moonraker (talk). Self nominated at 03:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC).
ALT1 ... that a medal (pictured) made by John Croker marked the Act of Grace of 1717, which freed from prison hundreds of Jacobites, but not quite all?Tighter. Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Articles - Indemnity Act / John Crocker - created new on 14 / 15 December, so both new enough; 2310 / 2702 characters of readable prose, so both long enough; neutral; at least one inline citation to every paragraph; no copy vios detected using earwig/duplication detector where possible; assessed as start / C class.
- Hook - ALT1 is well within length criteria at 142 characters including spaces and (pictured); correctly formatted; correctly cited/supported by ref #1 / ref #6; and interesting. I have struck the original hook as the ALT1 wording is the same but re-jigged to a more concise form.
- Both QPQs done; image license is Public Domain.
I'm happy to approve this interesting nomination. SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
See my note on the article talk re the image: "Where does the image come from? The design may be out of copyright, but a photo found on the internet is subject to copyright in the normal way, as medals are 3D objects not covered by Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., on which we rely for 2D images. The information on the image file is not adequate." To be clearer, the design is of course well out of copyright on date. The photo was just uploaded by the nom, so he must know where it came from. The article itself seems fine. Johnbod (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- I uploaded the image, which is clearly a photograph, but I didn't take it myself. I've had it a long time, prompting me to start these two pages, but don't have a note of where it came from. In general, with faithful photographic images of works of art, which medals surely are, I thought we treated them as public domain? If that's my misunderstanding, I suppose the image will need to be disregarded. Moonraker (talk) 05:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that only works with images of 2D objects (intended as faithful reproductions), where following Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. we do not recognise the photographer's copyright, only any copyright in the actual object (none here due to age). But coins and medals count as 3D objects. See this Commons page. Unfortunately Commons is pretty useless at explaining this generally & many people aren't aware. Johnbod (talk) 12:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that a medal by John Croker marked the Act of Grace of 1717, which freed from prison hundreds of Jacobites, but not quite all? (Clearly the image won't do for the main page.) Moonraker (talk) 04:04, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that only works with images of 2D objects (intended as faithful reproductions), where following Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. we do not recognise the photographer's copyright, only any copyright in the actual object (none here due to age). But coins and medals count as 3D objects. See this Commons page. Unfortunately Commons is pretty useless at explaining this generally & many people aren't aware. Johnbod (talk) 12:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- I uploaded the image, which is clearly a photograph, but I didn't take it myself. I've had it a long time, prompting me to start these two pages, but don't have a note of where it came from. In general, with faithful photographic images of works of art, which medals surely are, I thought we treated them as public domain? If that's my misunderstanding, I suppose the image will need to be disregarded. Moonraker (talk) 05:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
re-instating tick as image has been removed. ALT2 is 126 characters and the sourcing is still as above. I have struck ALT1 for clarity. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)