Template:Did you know nominations/Hyperboreae Undae

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Hyperboreae Undae[edit]

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Dunes of Hyperboreae Undae

... that the two distinct forms of the Martian dunes of Hyperboreae Undae (pictured) are seemingly incompatible with each other? Source and quote: "Hyperboreae Undae (HU), one of several dune fields surrounding the north polar plateau of Mars, Planum Boreum, has well known examples of coexisting barchanoid and linear type dunes and yardangs. The seemingly incompatible configuration of barchanoid and linear dune forms in HU and elsewhere on Mars has been explained by ..."

Reviewed: ~~asap~~ Template:Did you know nominations/Simone Schneider after reviewer's comments.

Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self-nominated at 08:16, 27 August 2017 (UTC).

@Dr.K.: New, long enough, sourced, hook is sourced and checks out, neutral, and image is PD. Needs QPQ. Also, "seemingly incompatible" should be quoted, as it is taken directly from the article. Other than that (non-DYK), how about explaining why they are seemingly incompatible? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Usernameunique. Regarding the "seemingly incompatible" expression, I was aware that it is the same as the paper, but given the limitations of the technical terminology I left it as is, and also because for such a short and common description, there are no copyright problems. However, I would like to avoid quotes, as that would alter the meaning of the expression. Therefore, to bypass that, I will rephrase the hook. As far as explaining this in the hook, I think it is very technical and that would make the hook too long. Also, just posing the question without explaining why, at least in my opinion, would motivate the readers to read the article to find out why they are incompatible. You can reply to the ALT1 if you wish, even as I am attempting to do the QpQ. Thank you. Dr. K. 03:04, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

ALT1
... that the two distinct forms of the Martian dunes of Hyperboreae Undae (pictured) apparently cannot coexist?

@Dr.K.: I'm fine with ALT1 (just waiting for QPQ for the tick). Not sure why adding quotation marks "would alter the meaning of the expression"? It would simply attribute the expression, not alter it. As ALT1 shows, though the expression "seemingly incompatible" is used frequently, its meaning can be rephrased; hence, when taking a particular phrasing from a source, it should be quoted. Didn't mean to say you should add the explanation in the hook, I meant add it to the article. You're implying that the explanation is there, however, could you point me to it? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 03:19, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: Regarding the now-removed expression of the hook, I am of the opinion that when one uses quotes, the expression loses some of its immediacy/punch. I think that's why they are also called "scare quotes". Thus, I have a preference for not using them, when the attribution is not really necessary due to the brevity and frequent use of the expression. But since we have agreed on ALT1, there is no problem. As far as the explanation for the hook, I haven't added the technical details yet. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply they were there. I just commented on the possibility of adding a technical detail to the hook, explaining the incompatibility of the forms. But now that you mentioned it, I will try to add something to the article about that. Meanwhile, I am going to do the QpQ first. Thank you for your patience. Dr. K. 04:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks Dr.K.. I get your point about losing punch; I dislike having to use bracketed alterations in quotations for the same reason. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: I fully agree about the square brackets. I think any quote having them, is somehow problematic. In any case, I just reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Simone Schneider. Thank you again Usernameunique for your hard work as a reviewer. Best regards. Dr. K. 04:49, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: Thanks! All set. Pretty ironic that you picked a hook with two quotations to review. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: Lol. :) That's an occupational hazard for these types of articles. Artists, films, and books live and die by the reviews. Martian dune articles not so much. :) Thank you for passing this DYK. It was nice talking to you. Dr. K. 04:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)