Template:Did you know nominations/Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The nominator stated here on 10 November 2016 that they would perform a QPQ review "in the following days", but per QPQ check results, this does not appear to have occurred, and the nominator has not commented here since 10 November 2016. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich[edit]

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... that Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich of Russia was shot dead on a stretcher?

5x expanded by Miguelemejia (talk). Self nominated --Miguelemejia (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

This article seems like it would pass under most criteria, but I will note that entire blocks of text are entirely unreferenced/uncited: "He was from birth Guard cornet in an Infantry Regiment. However, his career advanced more slowly than that of his elder brothers. He became Lieutenant in January 1874, but as he was still too young, he was the only of Tsar Alexander II's sons not to take part in the Russo-Turkish War (1877–78)." Or: "Grand Duke Paul was appointed Captain in 1882." Or: "His birth was commemorated by the naming of the city of Pavlodar in Kazakhstan." Or: "The mansion located at 68 Angliiskaya Naberezhnaya, in the very center of Saint Petersburg, was built in the Florentine renaissance style by the architect Alexander Krakau between 1859–1862 for Baron Alexander von Stieglitz, a prominent financier and the first Governor of the Bank of Russia. After Stieglitz's death in 1884, the mansion was inherited by his adopted daughter, Nadezhda Polovtsova, who was in fact the illegitimate child of Grand Duke Michael Pavlovich, and thus a close cousin of Grand Duke Paul. She sold the property to the Treasury in 1887. Shortly before his marriage, Grand Duke Paul acquired the mansion. The treasures of the house included the white marble staircase, the sitting room decorated with caryatids, the oak-paneled library, and the concert hall with portraits of great composers and panels depicting The Four Seasons. The architect Maximilian Messmacher redesigned some of the interiors, creating a Moorish Hall." Or: "With the assassination of his brother Sergei in February 1905, Grand Duke Paul was allowed to return to Russia for the funeral, but Olga was denied entrance that April to attend the promotion of her son Alexander Pistohlkors as an army officer. Paul claimed the custody of Marie and Dmitri, but the Tsar made Elizabeth their guardian. From then on, Grand Duke Paul was allowed to visit his children, but not to return to Russia permanently with his second wife. On 5 December that same year, Grand Duke Paul and Olga had another daughter, Natalia, completing their family." Etc. Either these are backed by citations elsewhere in the text (are they?) -- in which case the notes need to be reduplicated to the fragments they also support (it is not for the reader to guess or to assume); or else they are essays and original research by the editor, in which case they should not be in the article at all. Mind you: that all paragraphs should have citations is an explicit requirement of DYK eligibility. Dahn (talk) 09:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Additional comment -- I must also note that at least another DYK entry by the same (evidently good-faith and valuable) editor was passed with similar crucial citation problems, problems which could have been easily fixed, should the reviewer or anyone else have bothered actually reading the text. Are we getting this sloppy? Dahn (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Issue has been addressed notes were reduplicated and further citations added. Miguelemejia (talk) 23:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Miguelemejia, I was about to call for a new reviewer when I realized that four of the citations were bare URLs, which is not allowed at DYK. Most of them are to the same source, so they can be combined entries adding a "name" field to the ref tag. Once you've fixed these, I can do that call. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

URLs fixed. Miguelemejia 14:37, 17 October 2016‎ (UTC)

@Miguelemejia: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral, the hook fact is sourced inline and accepted AGF, but lack of access to the sources prevent me from checking for copyright issues. I was about to give the nomination a tick but then realised you have not done a QPQ review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I will work on a QPQ review in the following days.Miguelemejia 14:37, 10 November 2016‎ (UTC)

It has been over a month since the QPQ was promised, and nothing has been submitted. Marking for closure as unsuccessful, though if the nominator returns prior to closure, the nomination can continue if a QPQ is forthcoming. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)