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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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Elephant & Castle tube station[edit]

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  • ... that the first baby born on the London Underground named Marie Cordery was born at Elephant & Castle in 1924 but was rumoured to have "Thelma Ursula Beatrice Eleanor" (T.U.B.E) as her name?

Improved to Good Article status by Vincent60030 (talk), Alarics (talk), Ritchie333 (talk), and Dubmill (talk). Nominated by Vincent60030 (talk) at 11:53, 12 December 2015 (UTC).

  • Comment I would also suggest this DYK to appear on the 1st of January - a Happy New Year and a happy new life (baby). Vincent60030 (talk) 12:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment The hook is ungrammatical (needs "to have"?), and since the baby was born in 1924, wishes for "a happy new life" seem rather late. Any other New Year link? Johnbod (talk) 18:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I've fixed the grammatical errors mentioned. ;) Late? How is that late? Hmm...I think that's the only suitable date I could think of for this. Are you able to think of any Johnbod? VKZYLUFan (talk) (Mind the Gap!) 14:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • No, like most hooks. If still alive, the baby would now 91 or so. Johnbod (talk) 15:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Personally I think the hook is a bit long and rambling, but I'm struggling to think of something that leaps out as being "hooky" ... I'll have a think and get back to you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd like to suggest a slight rewriting as follows:
(Did you know) that Marie Cordery, the first baby born on the London Underground, was born at Elephant & Castle in 1924 and was rumoured to have been named "Thelma Ursula Beatrice Eleanor" (T.U.B.E.)? Dubmill (talk) 12:17, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • That's a great idea, Dubmill! But actually, I meant to ask opinions about the specified date for the hook, Ritchie333 and Dubmill. Anyways, feel free to think of a new and better hook if you could. Cheers! VKZYLUFan (talk) (Mind the Gap!) 12:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Marie Cordery, the first baby born on the London Underground, was born at Elephant & Castle in 1924 and was rumoured to have been named "Thelma Ursula Beatrice Eleanor" (T.U.B.E.)?
  • Comment I don't think the date matters at all. I would put "was initially rumoured" or "was incorrectly rumoured" if we have to mention the rumoured name at all -- it seems pretty feeble to me. -- Alarics (talk) 12:38, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment To my mind 'was rumoured' is sufficient. Her actual name is stated and this indicates to the reader that the rumour was false. I think the problem if you take the mention of the rumoured name out is that you're left only with the first baby to be born on the Underground, which seems a bit dry. The joke about the initials of the rumoured name adds a bit of entertainment value. Dubmill (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Well maybe it was entertaining in 1924. -- Alarics (talk) 14:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Full review needed. (If you want to request it for New Year's Day, please post to WT:DYK, where people are likely to see it.) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that Marie Cordery the first baby born on the London Underground (at Elephant & Castle in 1924) was rumoured to have been named "Thelma Ursula Beatrice Eleanor" (T.U.B.E.)? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
  • The name Marie Cordery should not be used in the hook without solid referencing. My research indicates that the baby was actually named Mary Ashfield Eleanor Hammond and the mother's name was Mrs Daisy Hammond. It's not clear where the Cordery name comes from - perhaps it was a married name and at least one source has it for the mother not the baby. I'll be suggesting another hook in a moment... Andrew D. (talk) 16:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT3 ... that when the first baby was born on the London Underground at Elephant & Castle station, Lord Ashfield said that, "it would not do to encourage this sort of thing as I am a busy man"?
  • Full review still needed; previous hooks mentioning Marie Cordrey have been struck per Andrew D.'s objections. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Being the first tube station to have a birth is interesting enough. Adding dubious misinformation about the baby's name or a long-winded quote from someone whose relation to the article is unexplained in the hook detracts from the original fact. I therefore propose below... Jolly Ω Janner 23:17, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4 ... that Elephant & Castle was home to the first baby born on the London Underground in 1924?
New enough, long enough. ALT2 as partially struck, ALT3 or ALT4 short enough and sourced. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. Good to go. (I prefer ALT3; as it currently reads, it does not explain why Lord Ashfield came out with that and it makes the reader click to read more. A vague hook is a good hook.)--Launchballer 09:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Can this be on the main page on 13 May if possible? Thanks and cheers ;) VKZYLUFan (talk) (Mind the Gap!) 12:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
  • No, I'm afraid not. There's a maximum of a six-week delay for a special occasion hook; at this point, you can't hold a hook beyond the end of February. I'd just let it run normally; it's already waited long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this and wonder if you'd like to submit an image for the lead slot? Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Elephant & Castle tube station
Elephant & Castle tube station
  • I'd say that's one of the better pictures around. There is also the statue picture, but the quality is kind of poor. Jolly Ω Janner 01:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Great. The image appears in the article and is freely-licensed. I'll go ahead and promote it. Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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