Template:Did you know nominations/Beth Rodford

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 01:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Beth Rodford

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• ... that despite rowing since 1995, Beth Rodford has been to two Olympic games?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Naylor TF 1700
• Comment: 73x expansion

Created/expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• While everything checks out: Article is new enough, long enough and has inline citation, this is the most boring article I've reviewed for some time. The article is somewhere between 5500 and 5750 characters, and while the first 750 characters is interesting, the last 5k is merely a textual repetition of this table, and from my point of view it would be better in the wiki-article as a table. Given that the "rest" of the article is only 750 characters, I'd have to reject this as it's too short and not good enough for DYK. Another issue is that while presumed notable under WP:NSPORTS, the current state of the article doesn't give me the impression that this topic passes WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• The article passes under WP:NSPORTS and there is nothing in the DYK rules which states that a table should be used. Notable per WP:NSPORTS and there are also numerous online sources, which aren't necessary to add. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 23:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
• I've done a slight expansion to the article, and believe that it is within policy. The article now has seven references and passes WP:SIGCOV. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 23:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• Well, in WP:DYKSG D12 says that articles should meet WP:GNG and your article is better now in that respect. My main concern is that you wont find text like that in a normal article, if it's worth mentioning it's put into a table. It looks to me that you have written it, just to make it pass the DYK guidelines. I've removed it from the article, and you can see that without it the article is too short for DYK. Mentoz86 (talk) 02:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Actually, no. The article is long enough, as it is 1684 characters long without that content. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 10:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, it is long enough, but includes unencyclopedic information like where she currently lives, her heigth and weight, that she only speaks English and her six coaches. I have also problems with the hook, as it is not interesting and is WP:SYNTH. I don't find any good reasons to accept this article at DYK, given it's low quality and uninteresting hook. Mentoz86 (talk) 05:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• Have to reiterate that this is an uninteresting hook, which is sufficient reason to reject it by DYK rules. Having removed some of the unencyclopedic and non-notable information such as her inability to speak other languages and the banquet, the article is below 1500 prose characters, and I'm dubious about retaining the coaching session at a school. (If this were something she did extensively and professionally and was cited for it in the press, it might be notable; a single visit, not.) In short, if action is not taken soon to improve the article and hook to DYK standards, it will have to be rejected. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:51, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• I've chopped a bit, and added a bit. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 21:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• ALT1: that rower Beth Rodford is currently studying sports science at Brunel University?
• ALT2: that despite currently studying sports science at Brunel University, Beth Rodford competed at the 2012 Summer Olympics?
• Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• Needs a reviewer other than myself to see whether previous issues have been addressed. I personally find the ALT1 hook unexciting, and the "despite" in ALT2 (which combines the two hooks) quite puzzling. I'm not sure whether a hook combining her as an Olympian and as British 2000 metres record holder in four categories would be interesting—in part because I have no idea whether this is one record that covers four categories, or how meaningful these records are—but it strikes me has having more possibilities than what's been offered thus far. I'd be interested to see what another reviewer thinks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I stuck in a bit more content, taking it well above the minimum. It would not be difficult to scrape up more. The subject does seem rather dull to me, but soccer articles are even duller. Ours not to judge... How about:

ALT3: ... that Beth Rodford has rowed for Britain since 1999, and rowed in two Olympic games?

Aymatth2 (talk) 04:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Article is now big enough and plagiarism not discovered. Hook is spread in several pieces in the article, but they are cited, and the one references proves all the facts. Now good to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)