Talk:Zoey Deutch

Edit request from Geraldo Perez, 13 September 2011

Change redirect to Ringer (TV series)#Zoey Deutch. This is a major TV role and makes more sense than a redirect to what appears at first glance to be a random person. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Recreation of page after it was deleted

This page was recreated September 16, 2011 because the issues raised in the deletion debate have been addressed and the article now meets WP:ENT with two significant roles in notable television series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

All the old revisions of this page that were deleted as a result of the AfD have been restored as some of the old original article content may be useful for improving this iteration of the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Birthdate

I've removed the birthdate from the article because the date is uncertain. As of this version of the article, there are two references from wetpaint.com. The first,[1] dated September 9, 2011 says her birthdate is November 10, 1994, while the second,[2] says it's December 1, 1994. Interestingly, a third reference from in the article,[3] says that her sister's birthdate as March 23, 1991 while hers is only stated as "born in 1994", which would seem to indicate that the actual date is not easy to find. Even imdb doesn't list a birthdate. Until such time as more sources confirming her birthdate can be found, it can't be included in the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Zoey Deutch To all those who sent me happy birthday messages, I thank you kindly for the thought(?), but it's not until November 10th! :) Xo Teilen · 11. September um 03:12 [4] --188.174.82.157 (talk) 10:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I confirmed what the reference stated. Only issue I have is this REALLY Zoey Deutch or some poser pretending to be her. Is there some place that confirms that this is really her facebook acct? Would like to see that before trusting the posting. Lots of posers on facebook who love to pretend to be a celebrity. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

So I added in Zoey's full name and birthdate a while ago and got my edits removed, with reasons stating that "I couldn't prove it was her" or something like that. The California Birth Index lists a "Zoey Francis Thompson Deutch." Okay, you already know her name is indeed Zoey Deutch. You know her mother's last name is Thompson, so that part makes complete sense. It has been confirmed that she was born in California, and the birthdate listed in the index is November 10, 1994 and you guys are almost certain that she was born in 1994 since that part hasn't been removed from the article. This is a matter of deductive reasoning. I doubt that there is another Zoey Deutch born in California in 1994 with both of her parents' last names. I know the birth index was accurate because I was also born in California and my correct full name is listed in the birth index when you enter my first and last name and I'm not even famous. I'm just trying to explain myself here. L'papillon (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, if you check Zoey's Twitter, her birthday is indeed November 10, 1994 (she mentioned turning 17), so I'm adding that in with references to her tweets. L'papillon (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

The problem here is how do we know this is actually Zoey Deutch's twitter and not somebody pretending to be her, as Geraldo Perez pointed out? This is the same problem as with the birth certificate? How do we know that the birth certificate is actually for this Zoey Deutch? You can't assume in BLPs. There has to be a definite, unquestionable link, and I don't see one for either the birth certificate or twitter. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is actually her based on what is there and the consistency of what is written. Unfortunately she has not chosen to get her account verified (white checkmark in blue background with hover text "Verified Account" next to name, see example at [5]), so it could be a really good poser, but I doubt it. I'd still like to see a reliable source that confirms this is her. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Add - Her mother Lea Thompson has a "Verified Account" on twitter. See [6]. She posts to @ZoeyDeutch [7] and will most certainly know her daughter's real twitter account. This is sufficient for me to use Zoey Deutch's twitter [8] comments as primary source reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I was also going to point out that Lea Thompson tweets her daughter pretty often and her account is verified, so I can pretty much guarantee that it's really her. Like I mentioned the first time, the information about Zoey adds up in the birth index. "Zoey Deutch" is not a popular name whatsoever and a "Zoey Deutch" with her mother's last name in her full name is even more unlikely, not to mention that the "Zoey Deutch" in the birth index was also born on 11/10/1994. I looked up "Zoey Francis Thompson Deutch" on search sites and many sites around the web have previously reported this name. I guess I can keep tweeting her asking to confirm it if you insist on sticking with your opinions on this situation. L'papillon (talk) 04:09, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a policy titled "No original research" and "I can pretty much guarantee" falls right into the category of original research. You need a verifiable link between the unverified account and the article's subject. We now have that with Lea Thompson's verified Twitter account and the unverified account, so the tweet can now be used. Regarding the the birth certificate, statements such as ""Zoey Deutch" is not a popular name" etc are also original research when they are used to justify inclusion of content. We can't use the birth certificate until there is a verifiable link between the birth certificate and Zoey Deutch. The birth certificate link isn't even an official record, it's from the database of a commercial software developer, so there's no guarantee that the database is complete. It doesn't qualify as a reliable source. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

See also policy statements at WP:BLPPRIVACY "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object" and WP:BLPPRIMARY "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth ...". Subject must indicate in some way that it is OK to release private info. Public records must be backed up with a secondary reliable source. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Wetpaint - Dubious reference?

The wetpaint reference is already discussed above but there are other aspects of this source that come into question. A few days ago this edit added the claim "Zoey got her start in a 2010 episode of NCIS, which led to an eight-episode guest star on The Suite Life on Deck as Zack Martin's love interest. This appears to have been lifted directly from the wetpaint source. The problem with this claim is that she appeared on TSLOD four times before the "2010" NCIS episode aired on March 1, 2011, the earliest appearance being July 23, 2010, over 7 months before her NCIS appearance. As with the birthdate, I don't think we comfortably use wetpaint as a source unless it's supported by another source. This means the full name is dubious. Although it's not cited in the article, it's only listed at wetpaint, in the same article as the other suspicious content. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Wetpaint is an aggregater of info per About - wetpaint.com. Catching them in major mistakes like detailed above is strong evidence that they do no fact checking for original content and, I suspect, getting most of their info from sources such as IMDB and Wikipedia. I am for removing it as a reference for this article. Do you know if this site has been discussed at WP:RSN - I didn't find any existing discussions but I am not sure I did the search correctly. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:28, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen any discussions about wetpaint, although in the past I have seen content sourced from it removed (I can't remember when in the past 5 years that was though). --AussieLegend (talk) 16:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Recent removed information per BLP

Today I removed the following passage per BLP as unsupported:

Her great-uncle is actor Robert Walden (who is her paternal grandmother's brother). She was raised in her father's Jewish religion, and had a Bat Mitzvah.

because the sentence:

Her great-uncle is actor Robert Walden (who is her paternal grandmother's brother).

was not supported by any of the references. The remaining sentence: She was raised in her father's Jewish religion, and had a Bat Mitzvah. is actually supported, but I removed that sentence also for two reasons: 1. At the time my "CTRL F" search of the sources could not find any hits for "Jewish" or "Bat Mitzvah" in the sources. 2. The supporting references "showbizcafe", "fanbolt.com" and "sunsentinel" don't look reliable, at least for a BLP subject, so I thought they should not be used in any case. Since I got reverted and I am not planning to revert again, I can only suggest that these sources should be replaced by other, more reliable ones. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 21:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Puff piece

The article so far sounds like a puff piece for the actress, consisting mostly of lists of magazines she's been on, famous actors she's worked with, and a number of inline citations that are barely more than a URL. I've tried to tone down the sensationalism and make it a bit more encyclopedic. Some articles with substance would be helpful, as well. LovelyLillith (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Zoey Deutch

Zoey is beautiful and nice when I first found out about her I watched Before I fall if you want to see it it’s on Netflix and it’s 12 rated watch it because Zoey looked so beautiful in that film she even looks beautiful now x 2A02:C7E:1C3E:FF00:C83:3734:E628:AEBF (talk) 09:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)