Talk:York and North Midland Railway

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error[edit]

In York_and_North_Midland_Railway#George_Hudson_departs it states

The line was initially worked by the York, Newcastle & Berwick Railway when it opened to a temporary station at Hay Park Lane on 30 October 1848. The line was then worked by E.B. Wilson & Company before the company was taken over by the York & North Midland on 1 July 1851

Fairly sure it was not worked by E.B Wilson (engineering company of Leeds) - Hoole (p.113) says the engines were supplied from this firm though. Tomlinson p.510 does seem to say it was worked by EB Wilson - though I never heard of them operating a railway before - hence wonder if this is 100% right?

Is this a mistake in this text, or does Aubrey or Allen actually say this? Prof.Haddock (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found this http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TnkOAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false which states The line is worked, under contract with Messrs. E. B. Wilson and Co., of Leeds, at a mileage rate, and a percentage on receipts, with lighter engines than those formerly used by the Berwick Company - I'm not 100% sure of this - I suspect this means a locomotive lease, rather than a purchase - not convince that EB Wilson were actually "working the line" though.Prof.Haddock (talk) 03:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found it in Railway Magazine 1919 v.39 - added sources to article.Prof.Haddock (talk) 03:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Prof. Haddock. It's not our place to say a book is in error, only that sources differ. I'm travelling at the moment without access to the books I used and I will come back to this next week after I return home. It's quite possible I made a mistake or misunderstand the text. Edgepedia (talk) 04:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is a matter of detail in this case as to what was meant by "worked the railway" - eg did they collect tickets, wave flags etc - the answer seems to be they supplied the engines as a certainty, but I haven't found any more detail on it.Prof.Haddock (talk) 04:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When my books said that EB Wilson "worked" the line, I took it they just provided the trains, which is why I hadn't expanded this. Thanks for providing the details on this. Edgepedia (talk) 12:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arches in York walls[edit]

In "Civil Engineering Heritage: Northern England" (Ed. Rennison) p.147 it claims Cabry built one arch and Andrews the other..

This appears to contradict both "Rail Centres, York" by Ken Hoole, and the Bill Fawcett book I recently added as a reference.
I have no way of knowing which is right.. Though I previously found date errors in the Rennison book relating to Goole swing bridge - otherwise I would tend to trust it as it publisher for the Insititute of Civil engineers.Prof.Haddock (talk) 03:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In The Journal of Transport History v.7 1966 it states (of GT Andrews )..27 December 1838 when he was "appointed as architect to consult with Mr. Cabrey the engineer respecting making plans for the archway under the city walls", designed to take the lines into the new station
Problem is it doesn't seem possible for them all to be right.Prof.Haddock (talk) 04:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

East and West Yorkshire Junction Railway[edit]

As the article East and West Yorkshire Junction Railway now exists it's possible that the description in this article might be altered. I'd tend to cut the bit about working, and maybe add something about the link to the Leeds Northern at Harrogate, but will leave as is to regular editors of this article.Prof.Haddock (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's relevant: normally when a railway was taken over, the rolling stock was absorbed as well, but in this case no locomotives were taken on by the Y&NMR. I think I remember that they Y&NMR had to buy or build new locomotives to operate the line, but I may be confusing this merger with another.
It does look like I've left this article unfinished; I'll see what I can do next month. Edgepedia (talk) 23:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Milford Junction railway station[edit]

Milford Junction railway station exists. Built after 1840, but haven't got an exact date - is on Y&NMR..Prof.Haddock (talk) 12:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar[edit]

The 'Origins' paragraph that starts GeorgeHudson could do with a re-write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.63.170 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:York and North Midland Railway/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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  1. Requires photographs
  2. Requires addition of inline references using one of the {{Cite}} templates
  3. Route diagram would be useful
  4. Requires copy edit for WP:MOS
Keith D (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 21:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 11:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Original Station[edit]

The picture shewn here as the original station is actually the second station. Many books get this wrong and in fact sorting it all out comes close to original research. As far as can be determined the first station became the coal depot that was sited at the location now in front of the present station. If you go through the history of the station illustrated you will realise it was built long after the Y&NMR was opened.

TanyaJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanyajane (talk • contribs) 16:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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