Talk:Yibir

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A fact from Yibir appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 September 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Yibir are a Somali clan of itinerant magicians who give blessings to newborns and newly married couples?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/September.

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Hargeisa[edit]

This article deserves better and I invite editors to participate in improving it and bringing it up to proper Wikipedia levels. Abdi, perhaps you'll read this and help out--drop me a line, for old times' sake? Drmies (talk) 03:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yibir[edit]

Whether deliberately or not, you are patently misrepresenting what Blench writes with regard to the Yibir dialect:

"These lects, spoken respectively by magicians and hunters among the Somali are said to differ substantially in lexicon from standard Somali. Whether this differentiation is in the nature of a code or these represent distinct languages remains unknown. For description see Kirk (1905)."

He clearly indicates in the quote above that it remains unknown whether "whether this differentiation is in the nature of a code or these represent distinct languages remains". For whatever reason, you want readers to believe that he is basing this on Kirk and that it is a certainty that the linguistic divergence of the Yibir language from Standard Somali is exclusively based on a difference in code, when all he does is indicate that readers should refer to Kirk for a description of the language ("For description see Kirk (1905)"). That's inexcusable, and I hope you at least do the right thing and undo your edit. Middayexpress (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're not assuming much good faith, and rightly so: I guess I'm not the kind of person who does what you call "the right thing." Sorry. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so. But I definitely am one to do the right thing. So I'll be sure to correct that misrepresentation cited above soon enough since you have already shown yourself completely unwilling to do so on your own. Middayexpress (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right. You are just the guy to do the right thing, and I would pat you on the back if I could. (Just don't mistake a book for a PDF on a personal website, and use the right template. And when you remove valid content, make sure you also remove the relevant entries in the Works Cited (they're still there--go ahead and "delete references"). And declare your love and reverence for Blench, which apparently allows him to supersede chronology, on his website and not in WP mainspace. I'll save my remarks on punctuation inconsistencies, mixed metaphors, unclear antecedents, and misplaced prepositions for some other time--and copying your comments on your own talk page, I'll thrown in a "LOL.") Drmies (talk) 04:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pointing out minor foibles in formatting on my part is no defense for said misrepresentation, I'm afraid. Secondly, Blench is obviously talking about the present & his knowledge of it when he asserts (in the present tense, no less) that it remains unknown "whether this differentiation is in the nature of a code or these represent distinct languages remains". He obviously is not referencing Kirk for that because the long since deceased Kirk could not possibly have any idea that it remains unknown whether the linguistic divergence between Yibir and Somali is due to a so-called difference in code or whether it is indicative of separate languages. Actually, Kirk makes it clear in his work that Yibir is a dialect of Somali in the very title of his work: "A grammar of the Somali language: with examples in prose and verse and an account of the Yibir and Midgan dialects". It's Blench who's asking "whether this differentiation is in the nature of a code or these represent distinct languages remains". Further, if you've done nothing wrong as you now seem to be indicating, then why did you thrice (1, 2, 3) feel the need to delete all traces of this talk page post? Those aren't the actions of someone who has nothing to hide. Middayexpress (talk) 04:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with the above character assassination, and have nothing to add, but perhaps a mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Pff. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]