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Good articleYi Jianlian has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
April 19, 2008Good article nomineeListed

Scouting Report[edit]

Please do not put a report in unless you can back it up with references. Noble Story 01:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Height[edit]

Just for clarification, I changed the article to say he was 7'0", even though TIME said he was 6'11", because the article was written three years ago, when Yi was quite young and he has obviously grown since then. Hanuab 06:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Someone has changed everything to huge numbers. That is NOT okay.[reply]

Information[edit]

I added a good bit of information (i.e. draft info, expanded strengths and weaknesses, etc.) and corrected a few (minor) grammatical mistakes. Shenzhou

Age[edit]

Yi jianlian is born in 1987 not in 1984 ! Confusion only because some typo error in a tournament. China admitted that it was just a typo, so I changed the year into 1987.

I think we need a Category:Year of birth disputed. --fullcourt 10:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The confusion with Yi's age is likely derived from cultural difference in the way the Chinese calculate a person's age. For example: A baby's birth date is December 31, 2006. If, on Jan 1, 2007, you ask the baby's mother how old her baby is, the answer very often will be "She is now two years old". To a Westerner, of course, the baby is barely two days old. She is not even two months old, not to mention being "two years old". (comment by NauticLee)

The discrepancy between the purported age of "two" and the actual age of "zero" in your example might explain a situation where age is misrepresented as +2 years older. On the contrary, Yi's purported age of "nineteen" is believed to be -3, -5, or -6 years younger than his real age. This cannot be explained by negligence in rounding numbers. --fullcourt 00:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

See the photo I just uploaded, it surely clears out some thoughts. To be honest, age falsification is pretty a normal case for Chinese sportsmen.--WikiNing (talk) 23:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC) Age falsification is a normal case for Chinese(not only sportsmen). but it's not falsification for Wang Zhizhi. Wang was born in 1977, and he never said that he was born in 1979. Even at the time that he joined NBA. --202.130.134.178 (talk) 09:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yi Jianlian was definitely born in 1984. There were a number of investigations and hard evidences such as Yi's 1997 high school enrollment form to support this claim. Personally, I still remember that his DOB was being listed as October 27, 1884 in the official tournament website of the 2002 FIBA Asia Under-18 Championship and I can also remember that the DOB of Tang Zhengdong, another Chinese big man and Yi's teammate in the Chinese junior national team at that time, was being listed as September 14, 1983 in the official tournament website of the 2003 FIBA Under-19 World Championship the following year. After that tournament, Yi and Tang both got signed by professional CBA clubs (Guangdong Southern Tigers and Jiangsu Dragons respectively) for the next CBA season, and subsequently, their DOB have been listed as October 27, 1987 and September 14, 1984 respectively and nothing has changed since then.
Due to the nature of commercial sports websites, those official tournament websites were closed soon after the completion of those tournaments. As a result, other than honest words, I couldn't retrieve anything to back up my claim. In any case, it is pretty common for athletes in China to change their DOB (usually by 2 to 4 years younger than their actual DOB) to get some sort of advantage. Fellow Chinese national basketball team players Wang Zhizhi and Zhang Qingpeng also intentionally falsified their DOB to July 8, 1979 and January 23, 1985 respectively, before media pressure and hard evidences such as Wang's Military ID Card forced most sources to change their DOB to July 8, 1977 and January 23, 1981 respectively. Energy110 (talk) 08:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mickey Adams?[edit]

Who's Mickey Adams? I've never heard of this guy and I couldn't find anything about him on google. --128.237.238.166 15:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the following text [1]:
A news reporter from WEEI in Boston, Mickey Adams, who can speak Mandarin and Cantonese can confirm in private conversations that Yi is not really sure how old he is but believes he was born in 1984 because of a baby picture of himself with a newspaper dated December 29, 1984 in the background.
There's no reference to support this. The draftexpress.com ref does say he was born in 1984 but doesn't contain anything relevant to the "Mickey Adams" claims. Even there is a Mr. Adams who can confirm that such photos exist, they wouldn't prove anything. The "photo of you holding a newspaper" cliché would prove that "you were not dead yet" on the day the newspaper was published, but would obviously not prove that "you were already born" on that date. --fullcourt 00:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The Chairman[edit]

How does this qualify as a "good article" candidate when it consistently refers to the subject by a derisive nickname coined by Bill Simmons? Other than that it's a generally well-written article, but that is pretty ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.104.216 (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's called vandalism, and it was deleted. Noble Story (talk) 02:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Magazine[edit]

"A Chinese report in November 2007 by "Shidai" Magazine traced Yi's past in the Youth Sports School and middle school" -- isn't this just Time magazine? Just mentioning this so that a wider audience can appreciate the source. In any event, I think the publication should be italicised? Chensiyuan (talk) 02:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

I will be reviewing this article. When performing reviews, I like to post a bit at a time, since I rarely have time to make it through a full article at once. Please feel free to address the concerns I bring up whenever you want (there is no need to wait for me to finish my review). Looking through the first bit of the article, a few things stand out:

  1. The parentheses in the lead are not correct. There are two "("s but three ")"s.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. The word "major" in the lead is an editor's interpretation of the facts. This is a point of view word that should be removed.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. In the first paragraph of the "Career in China" section, I am confused by a couple of statements. What is a "sports school"? And who discovered him? Currently, the article says that a basketball discovered him, so I'm sure this should be fixed.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. Who invited him to the camp in New Jersey?
  • The camp did, as I think it is made clear in the sentence. But correct me if I'm wrong.
  1. At the end of the first paragraph of the "Entering the NBA" subsection, "A year later, on November 1, 2006, the Tigers announced that Yi would enter the 2007 NBA Draft." needs a reference.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. Why did Fegan not want Milwaukee to draft Yi? This seems like an important aspect of his career.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. In the "Rookie season" subsection, was the game watched by 100 million viewers in China, or 100 million viewers in total?
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. Later in that section, what does "1-10 shooting" mean? It needs to be explained so that any reader can understand the article.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. Would the Chinese government have any reason to falsify his birthdate? The controversy makes little sense unless there would be a reason to give an incorrect age.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. Reference 38 (China rushing to match talent on court before 2008 Olympics) gets redirected. The correct article needs to be found so that the link can be fixed.
  • Green tickY Done.

That's all for right now. I'll go through the article in more detail tomorrow to do some copyediting, and I'll mention any new concerns that arise. Overall, it's looking pretty good, though. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know there's probably more, but I've addressed all points so far.

Thanks for the quick work on those. I started with the copyediting/proofreading, and it's looking pretty god so far. I'll finish it up tomorrow, but I was wondering if anything can be added to the "Personal life" section. It's pretty sparse. Is there anything off the court that would make a good addition to the article? GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing: I don't know if it appears this way on all screens, but the image of Yi being guarded by Battier pushes the title of the next section ("Off the court") over to the right. It would look better if the section header could be on the left margin. Is it possible to adjust the image location? GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
About the Personal Life: I really can't find anything besides what is already there, which leaves me wondering: Should I leave it as is, in which case it would probably be too short, or should I delete it?
The image doesn't do that for me. Maybe your default settings for thumbnail (found in Preferences - Files) is higher than the default 180 pixels? Other than that, I don't know why it would be. Noble Story (talk) 06:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, not a problem then. I went through and did some copyediting. My remaining concerns are:

  1. In the second sentence of the Rookie season section, "grabbing" sounds informal. Could a better word be used?
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. In the second paragraph of the Rookie season section, it states that the NBA expected 200 million viewers for the game, and then it says that there were 200 million viewers for the game. This is a little redundant.
  • Green tickY Done.
  1. If no information is readily available for his personal life, could information be added about his endorsements in the Personal life section (monetary value of contracts, etc.)?
  • I've added a sentence about his being listed on Forbes celebrity list. Hopefully that satisfies.
  1. The Rookie season section is fairly brief. It describes three games and mentions that he played in the All-Star Game. Did he have any games with particularly impressive statistics? Currently, it seems like the claim for notability is that he played against Yao Ming. I'm assuming that some of his other games have been notable, though. Even if none have been particularly noteworthy, including his game with the best statistics would help make the section seem more like it's about him than about Yao Ming.
  • I've added something about his career-best game. However, there's not a lot besides what is already there. Playing against Yao was one of the biggest things to happen to him so far.
  1. Has China announced its roster for the Olympics? It was mentioned that they wanted him to play, but I don't know if more recent information is available.
  • They haven't announced it yet, although of course he will be playing for them, if that's what you're asking. Noble Story (talk) 02:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was just wondering if it had been announced. For now, it doesn't need to be mentioned. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from that, it's looking good. I'll place the review on hold for now to give you a chance to address these issues. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've addressed all comments so far. Noble Story (talk) 02:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this article now meets the Good Article criteria, which are as follows:

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    blp=yes

I am passing this article. Congratulations! Please note, however, that it is early in Yi's career, so this article will require subsstantial upkeep to retain its GA status. I urge you to keep it on your watchlist so that you can ensure that it remains a quality article. I normally end my reviews by requesting that the nominator review an article in return (preferably from the Sports and recreation list), but you've been great about performing GA reviews. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese population in New Jersey?[edit]

After there was that much trouble with Yi not wanting to sign with Milwaukee because of the small chinese population I wonder how big it is in New Jersey and how happy he is with that aspect of his new city? He never said anything about it or was asked? 91.39.212.123 (talk) 01:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of Yi[edit]

In March 2009, Yi's play became the subject of much criticism. His string of poor performances led Lawrence Franks to bench Yi in the last quarter with the game on the line repeatedly. His disastrous 1 for 8 shooting night in Cleveland on March 22, 2009 contributed to a crucial loss in the Net's run at a playoff spot. It appears unlikely that Yi will hold his starting position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.166.93 (talk) 02:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth issue[edit]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that Yi was born in 1987, as right here on his Wikipedia page it lists statistics from his CBA career, which started in 2002-03. So unless it is ordinary for 15 year olds to play professional basketball in China, and I highly doubt that it is, there is no way this kid was born in 1987. Can we get any further information as to the average age of rookies in the CBA? You'd think 15 year old playing professionally anywhere would be international news, on some level at least.

You are entitled to doubt the truthfulness of the birthdate. But we can't do anything about that, since it is supported by reputable sources.—Chris!c/t 04:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Andrei Kirilenko played for Spartak St. Petersburg when he was 15. [2] So it's not impossible. Zagalejo^^^ 03:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

D-League assignments[edit]

Yi benefited from the new CBA rules that allow players with more than three years of NBA experience to be assigned to the D-League with the players' consent.

The 2005 CBA allowed assignments of 1st or 2nd year players. The 2011 CBA says that in 2012–13, "there will be no limit on the number of times players with three years or less of experience can be assigned to their team’s NBA D-League affiliate." Is the cutoff for 2011–12 two years or less or three years or less experience?—Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the cutoff is still two years of experience. I've fixed that. Anyway, Sean Williams who has 3 years of NBA experience has been assigned twice to the Legends, so Yi is clearly not the first player to be benefited from the rule, which justifies this revert, despite what the source says. — MT (talk) 08:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it fails WP:RS for that statement: "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is the best such source for that context."—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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