Talk:Women's shelter/Archive 1

Archive 1

First in the world?

In claiming the first shelter was set up in 1972, this article disagrees with the article about Erin Pizzey 86.129.150.216 (talk) 23:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

It looks like this has been fixed. Kaldari (talk) 23:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

A shelter specifically for women was also started in 1968, in Atlanta, by Elsie Huck, for Atlanta Union Mission (see A Life of Faith: My Journey, Elsie Moses Huck Detweiler). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.156.77.166 (talk) 20:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate title

Why is this titled "women's shelter", it seems very POV and problematic. Domestic violence shelter is the correct term, particularly given the fact that we're finally starting to see shelters opened for male vicitms now. The term "women's shelter" should simply redirect to a more inclusively titled "domestic violence shelter" article. --Shakehandsman (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. The below discussion indicates unresolved objections to the proposed name. - GTBacchus^(talk) 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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Women's shelter → Domestic violence shelter — Relisting  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC) Old title is too narrow in scope, outdated, POV and excludes facilities for men (and transexuals) which are becoming increasingly common. Also the term wasn't really used in some countries anyway. Shakehandsman (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

• They are almost exclusively known as women's shelters, emergency shelters or sometimes family shelters here in Canada. Oppose on basis of WP:COMMONNAME. 92K hits for "Domestic violence shelter", 315K for "women's shelter". --Labattblueboy (talk) 11:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Yes but the existing title has problems regarding precision "titles are expected to use names and terms that are precise, but only as precise as is necessary to identify the topic of the article unambiguously". The existing title automatically rules out any notion that similar facilities could exist for men. Therefore we either have to change the title or create a whole new article regarding domestic violence shelters for men which would seem ridiculous given that they are exactly the same thing.--Shakehandsman (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
    • The currently title seems pretty precise and, at least from my geographical perspective, confusion is unlikely. I oppose the proposed title because it is neither common or widely used by any geographical area. It's certainly not considered offensive or discriminatory in Ontario, Canada ( I can't speak of elsewhere). I've certainly never heard male or GBLT community groups here in Toronto protest. The proposed title is more likely to cause confusion than clarification, so I will continue to oppose.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
      • It's not the worst title for an article pertaining to domestic violence shelters serving women. However, it's an abysmal way to describe all such facilities.--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
        • In that respect, I entirely agree with you. It doesn't come across as the most inclusive name. Nonetheless its the current reality.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Neither title means anything in the UK afaik. They are known as women's refuges or just refuges here, hence Refuge (United Kingdom charity). MickMacNee (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
  • A good point, "domestic violence refuge" might be a good alternative?--Shakehandsman (talk) 01:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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Single man

As an alternative to women's shelter like accommodation, a now single man with a job can afford to move into bed and breakfast style accommodation. Social services etc. helping him can frequently obtain a list of such accommodation from the tourist board. Lodging may be adequate for a single man but if he brings the children with him a transfer to more family based accommodation should be arranged. Andrew Swallow (talk) 08:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Criticism

One major criticism to women's shelters is that they focus on victims of human trafficking, sex trade, prostitution, ... (so after the damage has been done). So, they do not work on preventing the rise of such problems in countries, and instead only try to mend some things afterwards. This is the case with women's shelters everywhere (so even women's shelters in origin countries of sex trafficking, ... as opposed to women's shelters in transit or destination countries) can not play a part in reducing the rise of such problems.

An alternative that does provide a role in prevention would be centers learning young women skills, and companies/farms that provide employment.

add in article 109.130.211.217 (talk) 10:55, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

legitimate Source?

Is source #7 ""Haven House Inc.". Women's Shelters. Retrieved 2014-03-04." seriously considered a legitimate source for such a claim? Kratch (talk) 22:21, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

I am considering altering this page as part of a class assignment. I would love to keep a dialogue going about changes everyone wants to see and what I plan to change. I would like to expand and improve the Women’s Shelter page in many ways. First, I would like to add a section on resources for women in each state and, if possible, a section on resources in other countries. I would also like to add a section on the importance of these shelters and the work that they do today. The current article focuses on history, funding and resources for male and underage victims. It does not focus on the main targets of domestic violence or how people can access these resources. Slklose (talk) 19:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Great work on your initial contribution to this article! The new sections are well-sourced and quite comprehensive. There are, however, several instances where the claims made overstate the evidence provided in the citation (e.g., the citation for the rate at which women experience physical and sexual violence refers to “selected areas of the United States”). Similarly, you may want to consider describing the nature of the studies from which your claims are based. On a less substantive note, I think the page will also benefit from adding additional subheadings within your new sections. For example, in the "Services" section, subheadings for "protection" "counseling" and "legal guidance” might improve the readability. Lastly, adding more blue links in the new sections would be helpful for readers. Medleya (talk) 23:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review

Hello, very nice work on the article so far! The material in this article is now sufficiently cited and looks a lot more official than before. The formatting and organization of the article also follow a nice, logical flow. If I were to make a few suggestions, it would be to expand on the Asia and Europe sections (as they are, as of now, occupied by anecdotes as opposed to histories). Furthermore, I feel like information as to how one would go about finding a proper women’s shelter could be helpful and informative. On a less important and more finicky note, I don’t believe that you need to keep linking Wikipedia articles if you have already linked them earlier on (e.g. domestic violence). Patriqueliu (talk) 01:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Appeal for more writing

I have finished editing this article for my class assignment. I tried to incorporate comments from this Talk page into my changes and I hope the page is in a better place now than before. The article is far from finished, however. The information I added is largely about the United States. I was only able to add a limited amount about services in Europe and Asia. This page could be improved with more work in the history and funding sections to detail the situations in other countries. Slklose (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Men's shelters

Men's shelter currently redirects here. They are, however, a real thing, although a little hard to document. I'm wondering if it would be best to have an article dedicated to them, rather than a redirect.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC).

Disproportionate Domestic Violence Against Women

A section in the first paragraph of the article stated that domestic shelters were focused on women because violence was disproportionately targeted against women.

However, the source used for this statement, Coordinated Public Health Initiatives to Address Violence Against Women and Adolescents, doesn't actually make such a claim. The closest thing I could find to this claim is that Women of Color are affected more than the general population of either men or women, and said claim was part of evidence cited from another article, and not original research or claims by the article in question.

The CDC report cited within the cited article, The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey | 2010 Summary Report, does in fact include a statistic on rates of domestic violence when compared against men and women, but puts the number at 35.6% versus 28.5% for women and men.

47.145.249.70 (talk) 23:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)I really need to make an account

great input. check those sources when the stats start flying. good article. SkidMountTubularFrame (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)