Talk:William de Burgh

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Genealogy of the de Burgo’s and the House of York[edit]

I reverted this entry as it was:

unsourced
did not have a clear relationship to the article — William de Burgh was not in the tree

— ERcheck (talk) 13:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would appear that this person is indeed the son of Adelm and that the two articles need merging. I refer editors to the meticulously researched publication: The Peerage of Ireland, or a Genealogical History of the Present Nobility of that Kingdom &c., by John Lodge, Keeper of the Rolls, &c., and Mervyn Archdale, A.M., Member of the Royal irish Acadamy and author of Monasticon Hibernicum, Dublin 1789, vol.1, pps:117-119. 86.153.253.123 10:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The introduction is in need of a thorough rewrite. The first sentence should read, "William de Burgh is the founder of the House of Burke in Ireland", period. "Founder of the Burke/etc. family fortunes" is an odd way of stating it. The second sentence doesn't belong in the introduction because it is incidental if not apocryphal to Sir William's biography. If the second sentence is retained in the article at all, it should be moved to another section (perhaps "Family"). In addition, it needs grammatical correction as well as a reference, and the factual statements should be made more specific (i.e., "who, what, where and when" with regard to these ancestral claims). The Burke nobles have a long history of spurious claims to ancestry, owing no doubt to the widespread use of the Germanic "burg" in European placenames. Also, the introduction fails to mention that Sir William was a significant figure in the Norman invasion of Ireland, and the main body of the article should contain a little more detail about how his role fit in with the rest of that history. Although the family tree lists William's father and brothers, perhaps elsewhere in the article it should also be mentioned that his father was Walter, Lord of de Burgh Castle in Norfolk, and that William had two historically important brothers, Hubert who became 1st Earl of Kent and Justiciar of England, and Geoffrey who became Bishop of Ely in Cambridgeshire. Vereverde (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material[edit]

"The following year in 1202, William returned and took revenge for his army that was destroyed a year early. He took the title “Lord of Connacht” in 1203."

According to which source? This is unsourced and should be accompanied by a proper citation or removed.

Also... the article itself reiterates the annals in saying that De Burgh's army was destroyed by the men of Connacht upon betraying Cathal Crobhdearg. Thus, his intended conquest of Connacht failed, though it could at first have succeeded being that Cathal Carrach had been killed. Other invasions did not accomplish anything but ravaging of Connacht, but not its conquest, which would not be fully effected until 1237 by William's son Richard. As the account of De Burgh's invasion is drawn from the Irish annals and that is forbidden by Wikipedia policy which states that primary sources cannot be used, shouldn't that material be removed as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.250.144.45 (talk) 17:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mac Carthy[edit]

In 1200, "Cathal Crobhdearg Ua Conchobair went into Munster, to the son of Mac Carthy and William de Burgh to solicit their aid."

Which Mac Carthy is this referring to? ☘️ King ᚺᛒ ☘️ Talk, Guestbook 12:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]