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Why is something like this on Wikipedia?[edit]

Original Research[edit]

Please do not remove the 'original research' tag without explaining why. Remember that statements/conclusions must be sourced: drawing one's own conclusions from sources qualifies as WP:OR. Thanks, Pim Rijkee (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Negative Stereotype[edit]

The opening sentence inappropriately implies that "feminine, homosexual or unnatural" attributes define a negative male stereotype. Public perception of those features in males should be discussed elsewhere, and perhaps referenced here. The term "unnatural" is also rather vague; one could argue that it is unnatural for humans to wear clothes. Joekrahn (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Joekrahn that the word unnatural doesn't work in this context. Some consider homosexual sex to be unnatural, but for a man to dance is hardly unnatural. Even considering that this article is about stereotypes, I think that there is not support to use that word. _{Senator2029 | talk | contribs} 20:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But it is certainly true that among many people, "feminine" and/or "homosexual" are considered to be negative or unnatural for a man. This article is not saying that male ballet dancers are feminine, homosexual, or unnatural; just that they are often perceived this way. My own feeling is "hey, these guys get to hang out with mucho chicks and to literally handle them; sounds like an ideal job for a virile guy. Wschart (talk) 14:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article exist?[edit]

It's so pointless. Do we really need to document supposed stereotypes? I propose deletion. Kombucha (talk) 12:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That being the case, why not list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and see what consensus decides? MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"WESTERN"[edit]

Ahah, "WESTERN" stereotype?! No shit, Sherlock Well, maybe the stereotype is WESTERN because ballet IS Western..? It isn't like a stereoptype on Buddhism or Sufism or Tang pottery - the stereotype is Western, on a Western thing. As such, the "Western" adjective in the title is perfectly useless, if not misleading. Next time, tell me ballet was invented in Pakistan or black Africa, please --82.49.79.139 (talk) 19:50, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most sensed thing I've ever read on the way such topics are treated (for ten years and counting now) on En.wikipedia. Ludicrous. --PGS 1984 (talk) 22:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Information[edit]

Hello, I am Katy. I just wanted to inform you on some new information I am going to add to the article. I am going to add a brief history of ballet and how it was male dominated at first. I will also add expectations of male ballet dancers and how they perform hetero masculinity. Finally I will add different ways the perspective of male ballet dancers can change. Kwomack97 (talk) 11:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Opera Ballet[edit]

If you can read French, there’s a very good sociology article based upon a field study at the Paris Opera Ballet (extracting from a book): Laillier, Joël (February 2016). "Des petits rats et des hommes. La mise à l'épreuve de l'identité sexuée des apprentis danseurs". Ethnologie française (in French). 46. Nanterre: Maison des sciences de l’homme Mondes: 31–44. doi:10.3917/ethn.161.0031. ISSN 0046-2616 – via Cairn.info. Keriluamox (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]