Talk:Victor Kamber

A fact from Victor Kamber appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 January 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that labor leader Victor Kamber created playing cards with public figures in 1968 and the "Rappin' Ronnie" music video depicting a rapping Ronald Reagan in 1984?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/January.

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Who designed Politicards?[edit]

It may be that Peter Green designed Politicards. But Wikipedia's police is to cite sources. The article clearly has an in-line citation which supports Kamber as the inventor of Politicards. To substantively change this (e.g., remove it) is inappropriate. Wikipedia's policy is to make it clear (with citations from reliable sources!) to the reader that there is a published dispute over who invented Politicards. Nevertheless, even if that source was added, having someone from Peter Greene Designs make this claim is self-interested self-dealing, and a no-no under Wikipedia policy. - Tim1965 01:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who created politicards?[edit]

Politicardist, please stop changing this article without following Wikipedia guidelines. First, Wikipedia requires verifiability. Your changes do not include a citation or other verifiable source, while the current article does. If there is a dispute about who created politicards, you should find a published source which provides an alternative view. Then you should change the article so that this dispute in published sources is clear. (For example, "While XYZ claims that Kamber created politicards, ABC says that John Doe did so" -- and provide inline citations to verifiable, published, legitimate sources.) Second, you have a clear conflict of interest here. Wikipedia guidelines note: "Editors who may have a conflict of interest are not barred from participating in articles and discussion of articles where they have a conflict of interest, but must be careful when editing in mainspace. Compliance with this guideline requires discussion of proposed edits on talk pages and avoiding controversial edits in mainspace." You are not discussing these issues on the talk page. The Wiki conflict of interest (COI) guidelines also ask those who have a potential COI to note this on their Talk page. You have not done so.

Wikipedia's COI guidelines are quite clear: "Content is not deleted just because somebody doesn't like it." You need to follow Wikipedia's guidelines in this regard. You clearly have a very valuable contribution to make to Wikipedia, and in-depth knowledge of the subject matter discussed in this article. I strongly encourage you to contribute to this article and resolve this matter, but to do so in the manner suggested by Wikipedia's guidelines. - Tim1965 13:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latest revision about Politicards[edit]

Thanks, PGD2008, for the update on Politicards. But the problem is that this is a very different statement than that contained in the Krebs citation. I think your update would be terrific -- and would add a lot to this article! But you need to get a citation for this. Wikipedia's verifiability rules require that anything which might be challenged or which changes the conclusions of the article. This is especially true of living persons. Find that citation, add it to the article, and put the revision back in. Thanks! - Tim1965 (talk) 14:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tim1965! I apologize - unfortunately we didn't know until now about the talk pages, or how to submit the citation to Wikipedia. The news article which can corroborate the edits I submitted is Los Angeles Times article dated Monday, December 27, 1971, titled "Politicards Sweeping the Nation". The quote: "They're called, aptly enough, Politicards. Full decks of plastic-coated, non-frayable living=color playing cards, which bear the bitingly humorous caricatures of 50 of the country's most powerful or prominent political figures" ... "The quick-witted mind behind America's latest snicker at itself is a fast-rising young talent of the caricature world named Peter Green, 26."

I've now posted it as a reference in the article. If anything else is needed, please let me know. Thanks again! PGD2008 (talk) 20:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]