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Michiganders?

The sentence "While Michiganders who grew up with it tend to like it, many other Americans are suspicious of it, as it doesn't taste like a "typical" ginger ale." is a bit narrow. While the drink is popular in Michigan I have noticed it sold across a much wider range of areas. Even in southern Ohio Vernor's is avaliable in most Wal-Marts, Drug Marts, gas stations, and at Krogers. Perhaps this sentence should redone to not specify Michiganders, and also redone with a wording more accurate than "suspicious". Perhaps "wary" is better? --Deepraine (talk) 00:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

URL change

The Vernors Store, which had been using the www.vernors.com URL will be transferring ownership of that URL to Dr Pepper Snapple Group effective July 5, 2008. The Vernors Store is now using the replacement www.thevernorsstore.com URL so we may be expecting a new official Vernors web site from DPSG soon with the www.vernors.com URL. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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Ginger Ale?

Is it really appropriate to call this a ginger ale? It doesn't call itself a ginger ale, and it differes from ginger ale in that it has vanilla, like creme soda. Its more of a ginger creme soda... and other sodas with ginger that arent traditional ginger ale are called by other names, ginger beer, etc. Jafafa Hots 09:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Notice the advertising image in the article which definitely calls it a ginger ale. It is a prime example of a traditional "golden" ginger ale as described in that article. It is definitely not a "dry" ginger ale though. Rmhermen 18:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
aha. next time I'll RTFA! Jafafa Hots 04:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
if you look on the can you can see its now labeled as "The Original Ginger Soda" not as Ginger Ale. Maybe this statement, "It is important to note that Vernors is not a Ginger Ale, it is in fact a Ginger Soda, there is a distinct difference in both the taste and brewing.", needs a citation from their website or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.52.174 (talk) 04:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The antique ad graphic calls it Ginger Ale, but that's an antigue. It should be labeled as such, lest the article imply that the antique image is current advertising. All current ad material calls it "Ginger Soda." and this should be included in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 18:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Stevia or Not?

I remember the body text mentioning that the old recipe for Vernors used stevia before it was banned. (With part of this talk page's discussion referring to it.) Why was it edited out? I suspect that would have been true, since I've also noticed the change in formulation when the brand went outside its historical region. (And that Vernors was very late to the game in providing a Diet formulation, which would have been unneeded before.) --DLWormwood (talk) 14:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Someone decided it was insufficiently referenced, although it's not as if this article is all that chock-full of citations. If you have a decent source for the use of stevia, I think it definitely should be in the article. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


Vernors Slushees and Vernors Flavored Ice Cream

I've looked hard to find any references for these things. I can't find anything other than blog entries. At least those don't suffer from the Stevia problem - that not only were all the references in blog entries, most of them were using the Wikipedia article as a source. I cant' find anything that qualifies as a reliable source, so I'm taking these two out per WP:RS. Fladrif (talk) 17:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Former Vernor's shop in Flint MI

I have added additional citations to back up the fact that the former Vernor's outlet in Flint, Michigan is today a Halo Burger restaurant. Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Ginger Ale

An anonymous IP editor unilaterally decided without sources that Vernors isn't ginger ale and changed all such references in the article. Nonsense. While the current slogan on cans and bottles may be "The Original Ginger Soda" the company has consistently called its product "ginger ale", as can be seen consistently throughout the source materials cited in the article. The original 1911 trademark application is for 'Goods and Services IC 032. US 045. G & S: GINGER-ALE AND GINGER-ALE EXTRACT. FIRST USE: 18800101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 18800101" The Wonderlich book has hundreds of photographs and descriptions identifying the product as "Vernors Ginger Ale" from before 1900 to today. Contrary to the anonymous IP's unsourced assertion that "ginger ale" is the prohibition-era dry ginger ale product, Rouch's book correctly identifies "ginger ale" as a variant of ginger beer dating to the 1850's that relies on mechanical, rather than natural carbonation, resulting in a clear, rather than cloudy beverage. Vernors is most definitely a ginger ale, of the golden rather than dry type. I'm astonished that editors would simply let this go without question. Fladrif (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I've changed it back again after a further soda edit. Possibly the article can be clarified to make clear that soda is a more recent term for the product. Dbfirs 21:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Change in Flavor?

I grew up in Michigan and left 1n 1978. I Found vernors at Winco in Idaho today. The taste is quite a bit different than I recall. It was bold and deliciously different, now it taste like cream soda. I imagine that the corn syrup, which is now in EVERYTHING, was not an original ingredient. I am betting they don't age it at all even though the can says "barrel aged 3 years". If that isn't a lie, than it isn't Oak barrels.

I remember the heavy carbonation used to tickle my nose. You had to let it breath if not mixing it with ice-cream. Not very carbonated any more, looses the fiz soon after opening. My can says; Manufactured by independant bottlers under the authority of Dr. Pepper/Seven up inc, Plano Tx. The Ingredients are Carbonated water, High fructose corn syrup, natural and artificial flavors, carmel color, citric acid, sodium bensozoate preservative.

I am sure that there has been a change, and I am opposed to it. It's like when they messed with coke. The new improvements are likely cost saving measures for higher profit. Maybe Plano Tx/ Dr Pepper, needs to take a trip to Detroit...if they still make it right up there. Jim Hackett

I used to drink this stuff in Buffalo, NY in the late 70s, as the ultimate cure for an upset stomach. There's no question it was THE most heavily carbonated beverage available anywhere; drinking it too fast was guaranteed to give the hiccups. It also had a bitter taste to it, almost like bitter lemon mix, I thought. Anyway I found some recently in the "retro soda" aisle of a mega-beverage store in SoCal, and was disappointed with both the lack of extreme fizz and the overly-sweet flavor. So, I agree, it tastes like a completely different soda to me. From the standpoint of Wikipedia, it would be good to find some citations to this effect and document it. I'm searching the web now in hopes there's some discussion on it somewhere. If not, then maybe we just have faulty memories. --Free-world 17:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I always wondered about the wimpification of Vernor's myself. One day it really did taste "deliciously different," and the next it turned into just another soda. I think Wikipedia explains the reason for the change in flavor... one of the key ingredients, a natural low-calorie sweetener called Stevia (sweetleaf), was taken off the market due to pressure from the artificial sweetener industry, coupled with inconclusive studies about the safety of the product.
Stevia's still being sold in Japan, and can be purchased in the United States as a dietary supplement. This leads me to believe that the Monsanto Corporation (makers of Nutra-Sweet) were up to their usual dirty tricks and "persuaded" the United States to make Stevia illegal for food consumption. I strongly doubt that Nutra-Sweet is any LESS hazardous than Stevia... but when Monsanto's got millions of dollars to spend on lobbyists, that probably doesn't matter.
Anyway, to make a long story short, the reason Vernor's isn't as good as it used to be is because it's against the law to make it the right way. Stevia has a licorice-like bite that contributed to the flavor of the drink. Without it the beverage is no longer the same. --M.Neko 22:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed someone recently added the discussion on the controversy over Stevia, and this may indeed account for the overly-sweet flavor Vernors seems to have. I think that takes care of the need for an encyclopedic fact on our perception of it being a lesser drink.
But the carbonation seems to be ratcheted down, too--I certainly didn't get the nose-tickle that I remember. Vernors used to be rather dangerous, I thought, requiring great skill to drink without injury :) Now it's just another bottle of fizzy sugar. Not sure if this point is documentable, though. --Free-world 23:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I never knew the drink before the change discussed here, but I can sense its potential. From the sound of it (licorice-like bite), stevia was a pretty zesty ingredient. Wish I could try some of the old-fashioned kind now. ~ Rollo44 23:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to make any edits because I don't have any research or knowledge on the subject, but I'm sitting here drinking Vernors and I notice two things: 1) There's no apostrophe in Vernors on the can 2) The only motto on the can is "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™" "Deliciously Different" doesn't show up anywhere. Have these things changed since this article was written?

The apostrophe was dropped somewhere along the way. Thinking back I don't remember seeing it in the 80's, but that was a long time ago, so I might be wrong. I never drink the stuff now... too many bad memories of my mother giving to me when I was a kid and had the flu... The bottle slogan is still "Barrel Aged, Bold Taste!™", but to the best of my knowledge they've never abandoned "Deliciously Different" as a motto, it just doesn't appear on the bottles.--Isotope23 16:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Then shouldn't this article be redirected to one called "Vernors", instead of "Vernor's", if the product/company no longer uses the apostrophe?

Just an observation which I did not feel was necessary to add to the article: I am going to college in Georgia and the local grocery store carries it. Delicious, by the way, but I couldn't find it on Wikipedia when I mistakenly tried to look up "Vernon's". Honestly, who's heard of anyone named "Vernor"?

It is named after James Vernor. Note that Vernor is not his first name. Phizzy 17:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I just bought a 6-pack in Huntsville, AL. Wouldn't that show this drink is more widespread than the article implies?

I remember my Grandmother telling me that it used to be VERY localized, you couldn't even get as far north as West branch. You can find it all over now.

Like Faygo, Vernor's is primarily found in Michigan but it is possible (although very uncommon) to find it in other states. Perhaps something along these lines should be added to the article.Bradkoch2007 21:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

While it may be true that it wasn't widely distributed, I remember drinking Vernor's in Los Angeles in the mid-1950's from large bottles....and it was fizzier and tastier than now...many California markets carry it nowadays.

Longtime Detroiters have heard of Vernor (singular) as in Vernor Highway. (The Michigan Central Terminal stands at 2405 W. Vernor.) A good chunk of what was Vernor was taken up by portions of I-75. --- OtherDave (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

---i'm on the west coast as well and I didn't notice a change in the bite until 2009. is it possible (since it's not a very popular soda out here) that all the vernors I had until I started noticing them going flat and flavorless had been older stock? it certainly sounds like its main market is Michigan, so if they had changed the recipe in say, 2007, it would be logical to assume that California couldn't be that high in distribution volume. 80% of sales are in MI alone! that means if you're anywhere else your region isn't going to be as heavily distributed to. and also, the leprechaun on the can used to be bigger, didn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.193.241.6 (talk) 03:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Vernor's as a mixer?

I've found through experience that Vernor's mixes great with Crown Royal (at a ratio of about 1 part vernor's to 3.5-4 parts crown), but what else is it good with?

Try it with Egg Nog and Captain Morgan's....sort of like a Boston Cooler on Steroids!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 (talk) 14:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Boston Cooler

Date reference to Boston Blvd. vs. the creation of Vernors in this section seems a non sequitur. It's only relevant if the cooler was supposed to be created by Vernor. However, the ginger ale likely antedates the cooler by some considerable time. Most stories suggest that the cooler was created at a soda fountain on Boston Blvd., but not that it was Vernor's soda fountain. 75.56.54.171 (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Boston Boulevard is, and has always been, exclusively residential. No drug store or soda fountain has ever been located on Boston Boulevard. Any story suggesting that the drink was invented at a soda fountain on Boston Blvd is completely unfounded and indeed impossible. Fladrif (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The Boston Boulevard being referenced is actually in the Detroit area and a Boston Cooler is traditionally A Vernors and Vanilla Ice Cream float — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.95.197 (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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Vernor's PR person says product is aged 3 years in oak barrels.

The source is a bit dated and I am not sure if it would not pass WP:RS scrutiny (it apparently was published on a professional news website that started in 1901 but is now defunct -- see this archive.org page) but according to the author (and editor from the old news website) of this article

"Cristina Alfaro, public relations manager for Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages"

sent him an email on October 25, 2005 stating that Vernors is

"aged for three years in Oak Barrels"

.

Some other articles this guy wrote about Vernors can be found on this page under the "Soft Drinks" section. -- 172.88.134.103 (talk) 06:02, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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