Talk:Valleyspeak

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Words

The words "Baldwin," Loadie," "Monet," and "Postal" all came from the 1995 movie Clueless and were NOT in usage in the 1970s or 1980s. Those words were in fact, invented for the movie and were not even in usage before it became popular. I removed them from the Valspeak glossary.

If they have entered the Valspeak vocabulary, I propose to restore them ~~

I would suggest putting them in a separate section with an appropriate explanation. Thanks.   — Lee J Haywood 06:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Pictureuploader 08:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

"Loadie" has a life outside "clueless" and the Valley. I say it doesn't belong in Valspeak at all. It's been used since at least the '50's to describe person who... guess what... gets loaded. 198.49.180.40 00:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Audi 5000 was definitely ripped from hip-hop and not invented by the writers of "clueless" wether it was genuine teeny-bopper talk or not :) --203.202.70.202 04:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

"Outie 5000" was used in the Kid N Play Movie "Class Act" that pre-dates Clueless

AUDIO FILES?

Oh my god we like totally need a like an audio file (or multiple audio files) for this article. It is a totally great asset to like, people who want to totally like need to stop talking like me. pfftsh, like shut up, what EVRRR! RZ heretic 05:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Like, whatever ... Maikel (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

"Gross"

Gross, as in disgusting, was also part of Valspeak (and may have originated there), and was not otherwise in widespread use circa 1982. Now that it's universally understood, its origins in this context seem to have been forgotten; for example, Kate Winslett's character uses the term in the film Hideous Kinky, set in the early 1970s, even though the term became familiar in Britain only circa 1990. Whatever the case, it's not listed in this article.  ProhibitOnions  ^(T) 09:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I can remember this term being used as far back as the early 1960s, when I was in high school. Several other terms listed here also were in use by the general teenage population (at least in San Diego County): bitchin' (particularly in reference to a desirable female), grody, barf. I am pretty sure that "to bum", especially in the context of a cigarette, goes back a lot farther. I am pretty sure you could find this in movies but I can't think of a reference off hand.

There are other terms here I suspect, while used by Valley Girls, are not particular to that "culture". It looks like the VGs adsorbed a certain amount of slang from other forms of slang, particularly surfing/skateboarding.Wschart 16:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Relation to Other Dialects

There is not enough information on how it has influenced and been influenced by other dialects. For instance, some of the slang seems to have come from the Skateboarding and Surfing subculture, but none of this is addressed in the article. I am most curious about how Valleyspeak influenced the MTV generation, that demographic in which most MTV viewers come from, and how it spread to mainstream culture. If Valleyspeak really did beget most of that slang, it has had an enormous influence on young people, in other words, my generation! Rintrah 18:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Vocabulary

Doesn't "psych" also mean "got you!"?

I was under the impression that was its only meaning.

Question, what sociolect or dialect does "nice" belong to? Long emphasis on the "iii"

My impression is that "niiice" is more of a surfer term than "Valspeak", but it may have some other primary usage. - ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Psyche or sike I'm pretty sure originated from East Coast hip-hop/rap lingo.--Section8pidgeon 01:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Update/ Obsolete?

Alot of the vocabulary listed is obsolete and wrong. I go to school in the valley and i never hear tose words. FIX IT -Julesruels989

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Here is the FIX: Recognize this article as an element of a certain type of Mythos. Some journalists do articles astroturfing works of fiction. The fictions are then released, and some people emulate them for awhile. Then other journalists take the derivative {see Derivative works}. This article is derivative and can link you to more of the same. -Myruels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.151.205 (talk) 02:10, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Sociolect

I say this subject is about a sociolect, not a dialect, and changed it accordingly... Loial 03:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Define "partially universal"

Then use the definition of it instead of the obscure "partially universal" term. 99.231.223.151 05:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

This article needs additional citations for verification

Whoever added that tag needs to get a life, or spend more time actually writing articles. Maikel (talk) 23:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This article

was written in a deliberately satirical manner, particularly the "Vocabulary". Would fit in better on Uncyclopedia. --dicttrshp 17:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

What is ValSpeak?

This article actually give no example of ValSpeak. So even though I know where it came from I have no idea what it is. Can someone please include example? Cls14 (talk) 11:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The definitive example is in Frank Zappa's 1982 single "Valley Girls". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.221.203 (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Veg out

"Veg out" redirects to here, but no mention is made on this page. Can anyone put it on? I lived in the bay area/near the San Joaquin valley all my life, but I don't know what it means. --CCFreak2K (talk) 03:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Here's a dictionary definition: [1]. "Veg" as in "vegetate". The OED also has an entry. The first recorded use:

• 1980 Washington Post 14 Aug. DC7/1 "They're just vegging out, not seeing what they can do."

The etymology of the term isn't definitively known. I suspect it's more of a surfing term, but there's overlap between "valspeak" (think San Fernando Valley and surfer lingo (think Malibu or Huntington Beach).   Will Beback  talk  05:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Worst ---- ever!

The following is currently an item in the article:

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"Worst (something) ever!" Meaning: Short for "This is the worst (something) I have ever seen!" Usage: Usually said with significant pauses between each word. Example: "Worst. Movie. Ever (sometimes written as "evar")!"

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The phrase itself is arguably valspeak, but "significant pauses between each word" sounds closer to a usage popularized by "The Simpsons." Certainly the spelling of "ever" as "evar" is NOT part of valspeak, but instead something that started as Internet slang.

99.231.110.182 (talk) 01:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

More Words (From The Song Valley Girl)

"Oh my Gawd" "bitchen" "far out" "hurt me" "total bummer" "freaking out" "bag your face" "for sure, for sure" "I am so sure" "barf me out" "gag me" "gag me with a spoon" "groty" "...to the max"  :) Thank you Zappa family! 75.88.188.242 (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Origins

Just FYI - the whole Valley Girl phenomenon started with teens who would hang out at Sherman Oaks Fashion Square (now Westfield Fashion Square ) in the early 1970s. This was also the beginning of the "mall rats" phenomenon. (The Sherman Oaks Galleria depitced in the 1980s movie was actually the hangout of the next generation of Valley Girls.) This information is directly from the women involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.221.203 (talk) 21:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Valley_girl#Started_earlier. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Sexy baby voice

"Sexy baby voice" is a term used primarily by one figure (Lake Bell) to discuss later developments of "Valley Girl" speech in the context of her film, In a World.... As such, it's not quite a distinct topic, nor does it have sufficient coverage to indicate that it's an enduring term that is separate from Bell's work. As such, it's more appropriate as a section of the Valleyspeak article. Ibadibam (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Are there sources saying that Sexy baby voice and Valleyspeak are in fact the same?  Sandstein  19:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

In the Washington Post interview, Lake Bell describes it as a variation of Valleyspeak that uses a higher pitch and more vocal fry. Ibadibam (talk) 19:48, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

With just one source promoting a movie, it sounds to me like they are trying to capitalize on associating to a larger phenomenon. Until it is mentioned by other people, particularly those without a financial interest, I would say "Sexy baby voice" is not notable both as a stand alone and possibly even as a mention here. Trackinfo (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Here are a few uses after the initial 2013 coverage:

• Babble, February 2014, refers to Lake Bell
• Daily Beast, February 2014, refers to "others"
• Telegraph, April 2014, refers to Lake Bell
• Gigwise, September 2015, no reference (on the "Off to the Races" slide: "...Del Rey stretches the sexy-baby voice to its very limits, squeaking at the end of every line.")

That is to say, it may not be a distinct phenomenon from Valleyspeak, but it may be a term that is increasingly used to refer to Valleyspeak, and so bear mention in the Valleyspeak article. Ibadibam (talk) 20:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

My impression from the sources is that this is a similar but distinct phenomenon from Valleyspeak. Until we have sources that clearly identify sexy baby voice as a subform of valleyspeak, I'd prefer keeping the articles separate. No objection to a mention, of course.  Sandstein  15:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Lake Bell, who as far as I know coined the term (there are no academic sources whatsoever that use the term sexy baby voice), said this: "it does come from the valley-girl voice originally, and it sort of gestated". Which sources did you find that give the impression that it's unrelated? Ibadibam (talk) 18:54, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

@Sandstein: and any other interested user...want to get this discussion closed soon. Is the quotation I've provided above sufficient grounds, in the absence of sources to the contrary, for a merge? Ibadibam (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - They aren't the same thing. At most "sexy baby voice" warrants a see also mention on this page. --DynaGirl (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

  The originator of the term describes sexy baby voice as a variation of Valleyspeak. Have you located some other sources that treat them as distinct phenomena? Ibadibam (talk) 19:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

For one, valleyspeak predates the phrase "sexy baby voice" by several decades, and according to the wiki page on sexy baby voice, this involves adult women trying to sound pre-adolescent. In contrast, valleyspeak was largely an adolescent phenomena of the early 80's. It was popularized by this song performed by a then 14 year old Moon Zappa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb21lsCQ3EM. --DynaGirl (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

"Like" as a discourse marker.

The point on Valley use of "like" contradicts Discourse marker, and in fact commits a mischaracterization that's actually addressed as being archaic in that article.

Either the article should not make the assertion that "like" is a discourse marker, or it should not make the assertion that "like" is meaningless filler to stall for time. These two theories are mutually exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.133.249 (talk) 10:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Valleyspeak Peer Review for L.charlie99

1. I really like the opening paragraph that provides the general overview of Valleyspeak and its cultural impacts!
2. The origin tab (through my limited knowledge of valley speak) seems solid, although there is a necessary citation for the mention of Cher Horowitz, and I think a couple more public figures who exemplify valleyspeak might not hurt.
3. A citation is needed for this claim, "This lends itself to explicit language ideologies about dialects in the area as they receive more scrutiny than dialects in other nearby regions."
4. Although I know it is not meant to be insulting or to be presenting an opinion, it might be good to rewrite this sentence (Linguistic characteristics of "valley girl" or "California" speak are often thought to be "silly" and "superficial" and seen as a sign of low intelligence.) in a way that presents less bias against the use of valley speak. If this is reflective of a general trend in which people do associate valley speak with low intelligence and superficiality, a citation to the study should be added here.
5. Same comment as above with the next few sentences.
6. I guess this is a feature of the prevalence of the stereotype, but I didn't know the fact presented in the second paragraph in the Language Ideology section
7. I think that the last paragraph of the Language Ideology section will need some additional work. For one, some more prominent researchers than a grad students might want to be used (and also should be cited!) if 'Many researchers' have analyzed these trends. In addition, there is a good deal of grammatical disagreement in this paragraph that should be addressed.
8. It appears to me that the final section, "Features/Qualifiers" is very well developed

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