Talk:United States men's national soccer team/Archive 7

Nicknames

@Braxtonrob: My dude, that was maybe the worst edit I've ever seen on this dumb website. "Yanks" is far and away the most common nickname for the US national team. Personally, I've never once heard anyone call the team "The Stars and Stripes," but whatever. It is indisputably true that "Yanks" is a common and accepted nickname. Wicka wicka (talk) 20:33, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry you felt the need to make a personal attack; unfortunately, I'm still in disagreement with you. 'Yanks' is a term used to refer to the USMNT, however, your overstatement of the use of this "nickname" only further supports my implied point - that being that wikipedia isn't really intended to be a marketing tool for what some fans have a particular fondness for; the term is simply not used that much (as I watch every game they ever play, via broadcast, cable, and internet.) Again it's simply an exaggeration. If the team has any nickname at all, it's clearly 'Stars and Stripes' as I've at least heard that mentioned more "on the air" by longtime USMNT announcers and former USMNT players, although that's not used a great deal either. Again, wishful thinking or as a marketing tool by some select fans, entries like this are not honestly reflective of reality, and should not be included on ANY wikipedia page.Braxtonrob (talk) 05:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

You can't disagree unless you're writing from a parallel universe. It's an indisputably true fact: Yanks is an extremely common nickname for the USA. Wicka wicka (talk) 12:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

That's true, 'Yanks' is indeed 'an extremely common nickname for the USA' ... if you're a doughboy from the year 1917. And you're right again, '(I) can't disagree' because it's just a 'fact' that Yanks is not a nickname of the USMNT, even if you and 17 other people heard it once, in a commercial, approximately a decade ago.Braxtonrob (talk) 03:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/06/12/us-player-ratings-bradley-cameron-arena-lead-way-brave-yanks

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/5-key-takeaways-from-the-yanks-impressive-cup-run

http://www.yanks-abroad.com

https://twitter.com/ussoccer/status/883768832548114432

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/21/14/10/20170321-feat-wnt-weekend-rewind-yanks-settle-in-abroad

https://fansided.com/2017/04/27/week-us-soccer-mls-yanks-target/

Again: you apparently do not inhabit the same reality as this article. Yanks is, OBJECTIVELY, an extremely common and well-known nickname for US Soccer teams. You are done here because you are obviously and objectively wrong. Do not reply. Do not vandalize this article again. Wicka wicka (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I see the problem now; you don't know the difference between a nickname and a wishful-thought. i.e. Pele is a nickname for Edson Arantes do Nascimento; if I say 'Pele' to half the people in this country, they know instantly whom I'm speaking of. If I say 'The Yank's to the same group of people, they think I'm talking about the baseball team (whom I presume you're a tremendous fan of, since you've so voraciously defended your position). (BTW, your desperate list of sparse citings, by random writers, only proves my point further.) Be sure to let me know the next time you hear ANY nickname for the USMNT (<-an ACTUAL nickname for the United States Men's National SOCCER Team) used in ACTUAL broadcasts of the GAMES, where said use is a result of it's UNDENIABLE popularity. (Hint: there isn't one, nor will there be one any time soon.) Just give up already.Braxtonrob (talk) 06:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

You're a joke. Wicka wicka (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Both names appear to be cited so there's no reason not to include both. There's also no reason to be so rude, so please stop, Wicka wicka.Cúchullain ^t/c 14:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I am well aware that there are reason to include both. I would strongly disagree that there's no reason to be rude when a willfully ignorant person vandalizes the article and then digs his heels in about something that is objectively false. Editors need to stop worrying about being rude and start worrying about being right. Wicka wicka (talk) 14:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Being right and being uncivil are two separate issues here. No one appears to have removed the material since the first time on July 22, so there's not even an edit war. It is a content discussion where one editor is being pointlessly rude. You yourself are also wrong in repeatedly calling this vandalism, neither the edit nor the discussion are in any way vandalism. You only hurt your own case by acting this way.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't care. I will not let editors vandalize pages just because they don't like reality. You can throw a fit about people being "rude" or you can get on board with Wikipedia not being a dumpster fire. Up to you. Wicka wicka (talk) 15:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Tiebreaker with Egypt (1984)

Egypt won the tiebreaker because they scored one more goal than USA (5 against 4). Egypt eliminated USA on goals scored. --186.111.156.191 (talk) 08:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Soccer matches between the United States and Iran

Soccer matches between the United States and Iran Wlklreza (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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material scientist deeming my edit non constructive

Really, WTF? Who the fuck are you to deem my edit "non-constructive"? you are in to birds. you know fuckall about the US Men's National Team. I was a co-founder of Sam's Army in 1995, the first supporter's group for the Nats. That's what we called the US Men's National Team. US Soccer Illuminati refer to the program as The Nats. Always have. Always will. This is the reason I don't donate to wikipedia any more. Self-appointed "editors" who have NO FUCKING CLUE what they are editing delete my valuable IP more than 50% of the time I make an edit to an article. Not Constructive My Ass.

• I saw no suggestion your edit was seen as non-constructive. (Where did you get that idea from?) But it was unsourced. Reliable sourcing is a key plank of Wikipedia. Unsourced content such as yours really is unacceptable. HiLo48 (talk) 04:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
• Lol wow, that is a big ol' WP:NOTHERE. It looks like it was just an automatic edit done using Huggle, and these kinds of unsourced nickname issues pop up all the time. Calm down and just find citations for it. Jay eyem (talk) 05:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Attempt to standardize infobox for national football teams

Needs to be discussed, as several changes are not MOS compliant -SounderBruce

Changes : en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_men%27s_national_soccer_team&oldid=1027119683

My changes are a combination of what is done in the pages of the teams of the world, with the aim of finding a standard method for infoboxes. I am ready to discuss and learn what is wrong with my changes. Ghost (talk) 08:38, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021

I think it would make the page look much cleaner if under the “Honors” tab, the author removed the Olympic Qualifying Tournament (which isn’t a real trophy). I also think the author should separate out the “Summer Olympics” from the Major Competitions because the USMNT does not send their senior squad to the Olympics. Maybe create a new Subtitle that says “Olympic Competition”. Finally, I think the author should change the year of the CONCACAF Nations League title from 2019-2020 to 2021 since that was when the Nations League Final took place. The USMNT won the “CONCACAF Nations League Finals” not the whole Nations League. 76.18.211.186 (talk) 19:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Run n Fly (talk) 19:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Recent calls up

Hi guys

I suggest, in the "Recent call-ups" section to add the rule of eligibility ("The following players have been called up in the previous 12 months and are still eligible to represent ") like it is already done (i.e.) for the majority of European Football teams pages. This in order to:

• lighten table (actually the one for US is quite Huge)
• give a more updated overview of the players that can be selected in next matches.

I particularly like to know what recurrent users of the page (i.e. @Tomrtn:) thinks about my proposal.

regards. Riktetta (talk) 11:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I think fine as it is Tomrtn (talk) 11:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Honors

Is attributing the 1904 Olympic results to the USMNT a stretch? According to FIFA, only the five winners from 1908 to 1930 are considered amateur world champions, since 1908 is the first edition overseen by FIFA and where only FIFA-affiliates were allowed to compete. The recognition of the five winners is according to a decision made on the 11th FIFA Congress in 1912. According to Jules Rimet, 1920 is the first amateur World Champions . In any case 1904 is largely agreed as to not representative of a national team. Personally my opinion is that the 1904 and 1900 were akin to amateur club world cups 200.107.233.73 (talk) 18:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Current roster appears to be missing Giovanni Reyna!

Not comfortable editing, but think this is a notable omission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.195.235.14 (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2022

for number 11 Brendan Aaronson - his current club is now Leeds United (premier league England) 71.162.194.21 (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2022

Remove Captain: Tyler Adams

Add Captain: Christian Pulisic 212.219.118.170 (talk) 13:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Why does it matter what city this person was born in?

I've tried to trim the article twice with an edit like this, [1] and been reverted. What possible point could there be to mention the birthplace of one player who played over seventy years ago? This is exactly the sort of superfluous information that good editing trims out of articles. There are countless facts and tidbits we could include about every player, but that would turn this into an almost endless assortment of trivia, not an article in an encyclopedia. (Quick: what's Landon Donovan's favorite Italian restaurant in New York City?) Red Slash 19:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2022

[reason for requested changes: current text is incomplete and/or unclear and contains at least one factual error ("...Gansler and his assistant Stejem Mark...") — Joe Machnik and Ralph Perez were USMNT manager Bob Gansler's assistant coaches when selecting the team for Italia 1990 and competing in that tournament.]

Please change this text:

On July 4, 1988, FIFA named the U.S. as the host of the 1994 World Cup (success of the 1984 Summer Olympics played the major role), under significant international criticism given the perceived weakness of the national team and the lack of a professional outdoor league. This criticism diminished somewhat when a 1–0 win against Trinidad and Tobago, the first road win for the U.S. in nearly two years, in the last match of the 1989 CONCACAF Championship, earned the U.S. its first World Cup appearance in 40 years.

The team was coached by Bob Gansler in preparation for the 1990 World Cup in Italy, with two of the team's more experienced players, Rick Davis and Hugo Perez, recovering from serious injuries and unavailable for selection. Rather than fill out his team with veteran professionals from U.S. indoor soccer leagues as suggested by some, Gansler and his assistant Stejem Mark chose to select many younger players with better conditioning for the outdoor game, including some amateurs playing for college teams. The U.S. entered the tournament as massive underdogs and suffered defeats in all three of its group games to Czechoslovakia, Italy, and Austria.

to this text:

In 1988, FIFA awarded the United States hosts of the 1994 World Cup. Despite international skepticism because of the perceived weakness of the U.S. national team and the lack of a professional outdoor league, FIFA's selection committee recognized strength of the U.S. bid and had witnessed the successful organization, operation, and attendance of Olympic Soccer events during the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Olympics. International criticism diminished somewhat when the U.S. defeated Trinidad and Tobago in the last match of CONCACAF World Cup Qualification in 1989, earning the United States their first World Cup appearance in 40 years.

When the Americans qualified for the 1990 FIFA World Cup, the U.S. had no professional outdoor league, had not participated in World Cup play since 1950, and U.S. youth national team programs were only a decade old. With the U.S. set to host the 1994 FIFA World Cup, manager Bob Gansler and his assistants, Joe Machnik and Ralph Perez, selected a squad to compete at Italia 1990 and gain valuable World Cup experience for 1994.

Several older professionals who had played in the NASL, MISL, or semiprofessional leagues were not selected, including Rick Davis and Hugo Perez, who were recovering from serious injuries. With a young, inexperienced team, the U.S. lost their group stage matches to Czechoslovakia (5-1), Italy (1-0) and Austria (2-1). Wm Gordon at American Soccer Corps (talk) 09:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RealAspects (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Who / what is the reliable source that "Stejem Mark" (a) exists/is an actual person; (b) was ever involved in any way with the US national soccer team, men's or women's?

re: reliable sources for Joe Machnik and Ralph Perez as Bob Gansler's assistants: "Coach Bob Gansler and assistant coaches Joe Machnik and Ralph Perez picked a young team for Italia ’90..." — https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2020/06/30-years-later-young-usmnt-tackles-1990-fifa-world-cup-in-italy

re: reliable sources for 1984 LA Olympic attendance for soccer as influential factor for FIFA: "Still, the issue of interest in soccer by the general American public hung over the decision. [USSF President Werner] Fricker and others pointed to the success of soccer at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles, which they mentioned in their big campaign. Soccer games drew 1.4 million in attendance at sites throughout the United States, more than any other Olympic sport that year." — https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/sports/us-awarded-94-world-cup-tourney-in-soccer.html ; "The United States' attractiveness as a neutral site among world soccer powers, and FIFA's desire to promote the sport in the United States, contributed to the U.S. success. So did the fact that soccer during Los Angeles' 1984 Olympics attracted 1.4 million spectators, more than any other sport at the Games." — https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1988/07/05/us-to-host-1994-soccer-world-cup/4289e86b-3288-4308-9ad5-f0b57dbc9089/

re: reliable sources for Gansler and staff's decision against older NASL, MISL, etc players: "The Americans averaged 24 years, 26 days. Veterans such as former New York Cosmos midfielder Ricky Davis, an ex-captain, and Hugo Perez, who is one of the most creative players to wear the Red, White and Blue, were recuperating from injuries and were left off." — https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2020/06/30-years-later-young-usmnt-tackles-1990-fifa-world-cup-in-italy Wm Gordon at American Soccer Corps (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Uniform color

Can you all change the Socks of home kit to white instead of blue. I was going g to do it but paged locked. For socks should be FFFFFF. Americano0309 (talk) 06:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source confirming such, sure. Until then, no. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2023

Socks should be FFFFFF Msantiking0309 (talk) 02:41, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: I'm going to decline this edit request based on the current edit war for the home sock colors, and the lack of a source being provided to confirm or support your request. If and when there is a reliable source supporting your request, feel free to ask again. Until then, no source, no change. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

You have the wrong brother listed

On the roster for June 2023, Paxten Aaronson is listed but it was his brother Brendan that got called up. 2601:601:1700:4880:48C9:B584:2CB5:A000 (talk) 02:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)