Talk:United Nations (band)

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Band members[edit]

Since their show on 01/20/09, it has been confirmed that 3 of the band members are Geoff Rickley, Ben Koller, and Jonah Bayer. Ryan Bland helped with vocals for their performance, but is NOT an official member of the band. It is also stated that Daryl Palumbo does not provide vocals for the album. So please, whoever keeps changing the band information back to what it normally says, please stop, as you are providing false information.

Wikipedia is about verifiability through reliable sources. All reliable sources with information on the band state that Geoff Rickly is the only confirmed member, and list Ben Koller and Daryl Palumbo as possible members. Unless you can find a reliable source to back up your claims, the page will remain as is. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Converge's website confirms Ben Koller as an official member in their entry on the 21st of January. "Ben: United Nations CD/LP is out now on Eyeball. United Nations 7"EP on Deathwish coming soon. Acid Tiger recorded their debut album @ Godcity, it rules." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.226.78 (talk) 12:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Converge also made a post on facebook on the 23rd of June stating the following. "New UNITED NATIONS (Ben from Converge, Geoff from Thursday, and more) 7"EP Available now!!!" It's pretty much confirmed that Ben is indeed part of the project. --69.254.229.48 (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Screamo/emo[edit]

They are not just a grindcore band, they are specifically emo power violence. Check this out: http://www.unitedfuckingnations.com/faq.html

We need to come to some consensus as to the band's genre. They refer to themselves as grindcore on their Myspace page as well as numerous publications referring to them as a grindcore band, and they refer to their powerviolence/"emo-power-violence" influences on the FAQ from their website. I haven't seen any publication or interview with the band themselves where they are referred to as a screamo or emo band, so unless someone can provide a reference, please stop editing the article to say they are screamo/emo. Tdogg241 (talk) 20:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to them...they are not anything close to "emoviolence". Bands in that genre include Ampere, Bucket Full Of Teeth, and Orchid, and do not resemble United Nations at all. For starters, most powerviolence or "emo powerviolence" don't have clean singing, and the music is much faster and more chaotic. I feel they are more closely associated with screamo or post-hardcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.11.200 (talk) 02:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I listed post-hardcore in their list of genres. Personally, I don't hear the powerviolence/emoviolence sound in their music, but I'm not entirely familiar with either of those genres. However, I've heard plenty of emo/screamo and I definitely don't hear that influence in their music. Tdogg241 (talk) 00:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are influenced by Emoviolence bands because the Geoff Rickley used to organize shows for bands such as You and I, Orchid, Hassan I Sabbah, etc... He's very aware that what he plays is NOT emoviolence or emo or screamo. He simply states that his music is heavily influenced by it. The line saying they refer to themselves as emo power-violence should definitely be changed.--Sasarai (talk) 21:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plays Pretty For A Bunch Of Fucking Babies[edit]

I'm reasonably certain this is a joke by Rickly and the band. The source quotes Rickly as saying: "Actually, we're working on a kids record right now called United Nations Plays Pretty For A Bunch Of Fucking Babies, which is gonna be all the same songs from the full-length, but done like Kidz Bop jams. (...) Seriously. As serious as that idea could possibly be. That's how serious this is." The more recent MTV interview acknowledges that the band is generally tongue-in-cheek and not entirely serious about what they're doing. I'm willing to bet that the album in question will never materialize, but I'll leave it in the discography for now. Tdogg241 (talk) 00:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Band members (2013)[edit]

Based on the band's recent Twitter posts,[1][2][3] it's clear that either the band keeps close tabs on this page or one of the editors who recently updated the page is a band member. I'd like to take a moment to explain to readers, editors and band members why a single table of band members makes the most sense for this page based on both Wikipedia policies and the nature of the band.

First, a quote from Wikipedia's policy on Verification: In Wikipedia, verifiability means that people reading and editing the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. So, it can't just be the case that it's true that this is the currently lineup -- it also has to be the case that published, authoritative sources support the claims. Twitter is largely an unreliable source for Wikipedia, but it's okay in minimal doses in certain situations. I think the claims "Geoff, Jonah, Lukas have always been members" and "Zac and David from pianos become the teeth joined several years ago" from these Twitter posts should be okay for now, but further changes need to be from published sources. The claim "Their work has appeared on Russian releases" begs the question "what are the the Russian releases?" -- unless this can be elaborated on more in the body, I don't think it should be mentioned at all. If the band is reading this, just simply mention your lineup in your next interview with a respectable publication, and then the information will be verifiable.

When most bands get a new lineup, most media outlets will report no it, thus making the information verifiable and Wikipedia's band articles are updated accordingly. However, United Nations don't make it publicly known when a band member comes and goes (for example, according to Twitter, members of PBtT have been members of UN for "several years" but this information only came to light recently), thus information about the band's current and past lineup is very rarely verifiable by Wikipedia's standards. While most band articles separate out "current" and "former" band members, because reliable sources on UN's lineup past or present are few and far between, this section will quickly be outdated and false. So, as a compromise between Wikipedia policies and the nature of the band, I thought it made far more sense to lump all members past and present into one table and list verifiable contributions. This way, if United Nations changed their lineup tomorrow but didn't publicly announce it until 2016, claims like "Zac Sewell performed with the band in 2013" would still be true, but "Zac Sewell is a current member of United Nations" would be false. Fezmar9 (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Readers and editors were invited to take part in this discussion for the last 8 months. In this time, no one objected to this change, so I reverted the band members section to what it was before for the above reasons. I did, however, make one change. The title of the table was changed from "List of possible band members" to "List of members and verifiable contributions." Again, this change was made because of the unique nature of the band members' identities. While finding out the identity of the band members can be discovered through social media, blogs and forums, Wikipedia doesn't consider these to be reliable sources of information. United Nations also don't exactly send out press releases every time they perform or record with a new member, so "current" and "former" doesn't seem like the best medium of disambiguation. The single table method can never be out of date if it never claims any sort of time period. Fezmar9 (talk) 05:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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