Talk:Uncle Elmer

Weight

What's his real weight? I doubt it was 900 pounds. OsFan 01:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Wrestlemania 2

To say that my statement about Wrestlemania being the highpoint of his career is a subjective statement is ludicrous. When I said "highpoint", I did not mean that Mr. Frazier himself felt that this was so. I mean that from an observer's prospective it was the case. It was the largest paid audience of his career; it was the only PPV appearance of his career. Before joining the WWF, Mr. Frazier had spent the entirety of his career in middle, and lower tier wrestling organizations. Now, here he was, wrestling for the biggest wrestling outfit in the world, at that organization's biggest wrestling card to date, taking place at 3 different locations, and broadcast around the world. A statement is not opinion, subjective, or POV if it can be clearly supported with facts. If you intend to revert me again, please post something here explaining why I am wrong.Mk5384 (talk) 07:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Simply put, because it is your opinion that this is the high point of his career. The statement adds nothing to the article aside from one person's point of view. If you want to say "His only pay-per-view appearance came at WrestleMania 2, where he...", that is a fact. No wrestling biographies identify the highlight of someone's career for the reader. Just let the facts speak for themselves. Providing your interpretation of the facts constitutes original research and is a violation of Wikipedia policy. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

How in the world is it "original research"? That is assinine. If you are making the contention that it was not the highpoint of his career, then please tell me what was.Mk5384 (talk) 16:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
By that rationale, one could say that the "Hillbillies' gimmick of simple minded country folk", is opinion. How do we know they didn't read Shakespeare? Of course, what I have just suggested is ridiculous, as is the contention that Mr. Frazier's other wrestling endeavours represented higher points of his career than Wrestlemania2.Mk5384 (talk) 16:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It is original research because you are providing your interpretation of the facts. The quotation in question is not original research because it is supported by sources. I have taken the discussion to Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#From Talk:Stan Frazier#Wrestlemania 2. GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Surname "Fraizer" on Tombstone

I ran across this (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=6717595&PIpi=5261002) image, and was wondering if it would be original research to assume the engravers of his headstone did not make a spelling error. If not, I think this is about as authoritative a source as one could find, aside from a birth certificate or census record. I'll let it stand for discussion a few days before editing the article. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Discovered by Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett?

It's probably incorrect to say that Frazier was discovered by Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett. On the website referenced a few times, plowboyfrazier.com, there's an image of a card from Memphis from 1969 with Frazier wrestling there. I'm quite sure it was before Lawler began wrestling. Also on that site, Frazier is said to have begun wrestling in 1960. Cousar (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC) Cousar

A good example why we need reliable sources

Exhibit 1: IP comes in and changes the weight to their own version without citing an RS. This is typical when the original information is not cited in the first place. To avoid mindless and ceaseless edit-warring I removed the unsourced weight information because without a reliable source it could not be verified (WP:V). Despite it being unsourced, the weight gets added back in. The editor who reverted me seems like an experienced one. Which makes this reversion even more puzzling because I would have thought that such an editor by now fully understands, and abides by, core policies such as WP:RS and WP:V. Dr. K. 19:05, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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