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Byzantine sources on the physical appearence of seljuk turks[edit]
Byzantine historians of the eleventh and twelfth centuries imply that the facial configuration of the Turkmens differed greatly from that of the Greeks. The central Asiatic facial type, which must have been the dominant one, is clearly apparent in the description that Brocquiere gives of the Ottoman sultan Murad II, whom he saw in Adrianople: "In the first place, as I have seen him frequently, I shall say that he is a little, short, thick man, with the physiognomy of a Tartar. He has a broad and brown face, high cheek bones, a round beard, a great and crooked nose, with little eyes."
The physiognomy of the tribesmen evidently set them off as sharply from the indigenous population as did their peculiar society. It is quite probable that fusion with other groups such as the Kurds, or later with Christians and converts, gradually altered the physical type in many areas and introduced further physical variety among them. The Byzantine turkic mercenary Uzes, from the Balkans, looked so much like the Seljuk Turks that the Byzantines could not distinguish the one from the other. Nicetas Choniates remarks that the Turks at the battle of Myriocephalum removed the facial skin of the fallen on both sides lest the Greeks learn how many Turks had been slain. This again, is an explicit testimonial to the fact that the facial types of Greek and Turks at this early period (as in contrast to later times) were sharply distinguishable.
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to add more information to the "physiognomy" section of this wiki page. My sources are the book "The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century" by Speros Vryonis. H20346 (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done I made a summary of the segment by Speros Vryonis, with ref [1]. Thanks for the suggestion. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra)(talk) 11:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you pelase add the byzantine descriptions of turks when they first arrived in Anatolia and did not yet admix with the native population? I think that is more interesting than the description of a single ottoman king hundreds of years later. H20346 (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Miniatures in thirteenth-century Arab illuminated manuscripts show that the artists were sharply aware of the different facial type of the new Turko-Mongol ruling class. (The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century, page 278)
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You should propose a precise text with references. I am attaching a few related paintings from Ettinghausen, as referenced by Speros Vryonis. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra)(talk) 06:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The physiognomy of the tribesmen evidently set them off as sharply from the indigenous population as did their peculiar society. It is quite probable that fusion with other groups such as the Kurds, or later with Christians and converts, gradually altered the physical type in many areas and introduced further physical variety among them. The Byzantine turkic mercenary Uzes, from the Balkans, looked so much like the Seljuk Turks that the Byzantines could not distinguish the one from the other. Nicetas Choniates remarks that the Turks at the battle of Myriocephalum removed the facial skin of the fallen on both sides lest the Greeks learn how many Turks had been slain. This again, is an explicit testimonial to the fact that the facial types of Greek and Turks at this early period (as in contrast to later times) were sharply distinguishable.
This is very interesting. Please add this as a full quote by speros vryonis.
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A dignitary in Turkic dress: long braids, fur hat, boots, close-fitting coat. He may be an amir. 1237 CE, probably Baghdad.[1]Seljuk Empire
Dignitary of the Seljuk period, in Turkic military dress: long braids, fur hat, boots, close-fitting coat. He may be an amir. From Maqamat by Al-Hariri of Basra (1054–1122 AD), Baghdad, 1237 CE edition (detail).[1]
Enthroned Prince. Probably Egypt 1334. Maqamat of al-Hariri.[2] "In the paintings the facial cast of these [ruling] Turks is obviously reflected, and so are the special fashions and accoutrements they favored".[3]
Prince with Turkic features and clothing (detail). Maqamat of al-Hariri 1334, probably Egypt.[4][5]
^Ettinghausen, Richard (1977). Arab painting. New York : Rizzoli. p. 162. ISBN978-0-8478-0081-0. In the paintings the facial cast of these [ruling] Turks is obviously reflected, and so are the special fashions and accoutrements they favored
There are far more Uzbeks, also there is a different number on the page "Uzbeks". Secondly, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan hosts quite a substantial number of different Turkic ethnic groups so you might add this as well. Shawali187 (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (bojo)(they/them)(talk) 22:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
hazara of Afghanistan are Turkic too. Afghanistan is originally a Turkic land but only a couple centuries (about 3 centuries) migrants from India currently day Pakistan migrated (pushtoons).. 110.175.175.211 (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed citation - Religion: Religious conversions: Buddhism[edit]
Tengri Bögü Khan initially made the now extinct Manichaeism the state religion of the Uyghur Khaganate in 763 and it was also popular among the Karluks. It was gradually replaced by the Mahayana Buddhism. [citation needed]Citation source Page 210.
Helo, I propose the following source as a reference to the section mentioned. Demadrend (talk) 17:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Etymology:
First known mention of the term Turk is from Heredotus Histories as lyrcae,[1]
and as Turcae in Pomponii Malae De situ orbis libri tres,[2]
Difference in Lyrcae and Turcae came from translation mistakes. Because in this two historians they desribed in the same location also information about Iyrcae and Turcae is similar. Kaan C3Iik (talk) 21:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]