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Need a way to number Mexica/Aztec rulers[edit]

Fellow editors: is there some sort of consensus numbering scheme for these Hueyi Tlaloani?

This Tlacaelel article, grabbed somewhat from the Reference, lists Itzcoatl and Moctezuma I as the first and second emperor but our template list has them at Hueyi Tlaloani #5 & #6. And then I saw a article on the web that has them at 4 & 5 (it doesn't count Tenoch).

I like to refer to them at times by number because I believe it helps us non-Nahua to wrap our minds around some of these long and unfamiliar names and understand the flow of history better. Madman 03:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is correct DOB & DOD??[edit]

i found this at delong.typepad.com, by Brad DeLong who quotes the book "The Theology of Human Misery" by Charles Mann (2005), 1491 (New York: Knopf: 140004006X), p. 188: "...[the Aztec Empire's] presiding genius was Tlacaelel (1398-1480)...". someone should check into the dates for tlacaelel. but most of the other sites i found have the ones listed in wiki's own article. the reason i looked it up is cuz that's a question posted in the 02-04 talk: archives, and hasn't been crossed out. should i cross it out, to show its been answered? or leave it alone, since the current talk: page says to leave the archives alone? 4.230.168.250 23:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Mr 250, there is a degree of uncertainty in all Aztec dates except perhaps the specific dates around the Spanish conquest. I'll check what sources I have. Why don't you go check a few other places and we'll meet back here and compare notes?? Madman 02:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I realise it's been, well, a year since this issue was raised but the DOB/DOD don't correspond to my sources either. Leon-Portilla's "The Aztec Image of Self and Society" (1992) states Tlacaelel died before Axayacatl died in 1481. Piedmon Sama 09:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have placed a footnote with respect to Tlacaélel's birth year. Does anyone know where the 1397 date came from? --Bejnar (talk) 17:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mann is not a realiable source for claims about the Aztecs.·Maunus·ƛ· 05:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Durán[edit]

These citations to Durán need to be put into proper footnotes with page cites. I have done the first one. --Bejnar (talk) 17:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]