Talk:Tibetan blackbird

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Review: January 31, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Tibetan blackbird appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 November 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the biggest Turdus is 23–28 centimetres (9–10 inches) in length?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a Turdus maximus is 23–28 cm (9.1–11.0 in) long? Source: "23–28 cm" [1]
- ALT1: ... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by AryKun (talk). Self-nominated at 12:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, I will be reviewing this DYKN. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough, long enough, neutral, no plagiarism issues, appropriately cited. However, the hook is not interesting. Simply stating the bird's size is not interesting by any stretch of the imagination. No indication of if QPQ was done or not. Until QPQ is resolved, and a more interesting hook provided, I cannot approve this. I suggest a new hook talk about how the bird lives in high elevations, or how it was originally thought to be a subspecies of the common blackbird. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This was done for the QPQ. Also, in English, Turdus maximus sounds like it would mean "largest poop" or something, which is why I thought the scientific name would be interesting. The species' scientific name has been covered in the news for the unintentional innuendo. AryKun (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I've noted that QPQ is done, so that's resolved. I see about the scientific name, but a much better hook would be to talk about how the name sounds "dirty" in my opinion. I'd like to see at least 1 alt added. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook EEng added works better. I'm going to approve this, with a preference towards ALT1 as suggested below. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 04:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that the biggest Turdus is 23–28 centimetres (9–10 inches) in length? E Eng 02:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Promoter's comment to @EEng: thought I'd see your ugly, yelluh, no-good keister skulkin' round a hook like this. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it. E Eng 05:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P5

Well, it says it right there—all the turdus maximi are at least 9.1 inches. Gotta put 'em in there by hand. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tibetan blackbird/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 14:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This looks interesting..-- Ealdgyth (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Refs:
- Not required, but any reason you haven't combined the two Avibase references? (Currently numbers 2 and 10).
  - They lead to different pages, one with the taxon summary listing different common names and one listing the taxonomic synonyms.
- Thanks for using Avibase ... now I know to go explore that site!
Taxonomy section:
- "generic name" - suggest link here or is there another phrase we can use, as "generic name" is able to be confused with "common name".
  - Linked.
Vocalisations section:
- "Unlike the song of the common blackbird, it does not have a warbles or trills" do you mean "Unlike the song of the common blackbird, it does not have warbles or trills" or is "Unlike the song of the common blackbird, it does not have warbles or trills"?
  - Removed "a".
- Do we have good links to explain the difference between a bird's song and a bird's calls?
  - Not really, I'd imagine it's easy to understand: Songs are a collection of notes given together, while calls are single or double notes given alone.
Distribution section:
- "The Tibetan blackbird is found locally in the.." why "found locally"? I'd suggest just "The Tibetan blackbird is found in the.."
  - Locally indicates that it isn't found continuously but rather in certain areas within the range.
Breeding section:
- "Cotoneaster microphyllus was the favourite plant" ... any reason for the past tense?
  - Changed to present tense.
Status section:
- "and a stable population that appears to be increasing.." contradictory here ... if it's stable, how can it appear to be increasing?
  - Removed stable.
I did some copyedits, please check that they did not distort the meaning.
I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, passing now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]