Talk:The Talons of Weng-Chiang

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The doctor Carries a gun on that cover![edit]

On the novell cover in this article, the Doctor appears to be carrying a gun, that's quite rare, is it involved in the story? And if so, wouldn't this be the only case in which he actually uses a fire arm? He is quoted oftenly of disapproving of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.73.137.35 (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He uses an elephant gun to hunt a giant rat. He also used a pistol in The Seeds of Doom. DonQuixote 20:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The muffin man"???[edit]

I know it's been years since I've seen this one, so maybe my memory is rusty. Or maybe it's an odd British colloquialism I'm not familir with. So I didn't do an immediate edit when I read the second-to-last paragraph of the plot summary, when ends with the phrase "just in time for the coming dawn and the muffin man."

Is this what it's supposed to say, or did some vandalism slip through? EJSawyer 17:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the original plot summary when the DVD first came out. It is, in fact, the muffin man. The Doctor hears him off-screen and mentions him. The last scene has the Doctor and Leela saying goodbye to Jago and Litefoot, who are finishing off their muffins. DonQuixote 18:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, yes, that does ring a bell (too many years...). Thanks for clearing that up. However, you might also want to revise the text slightly for clarity. EJSawyer 18:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scarves[edit]

There's an entry in the Continuity section citing that this is the only Tom Baker story in which he didn't wear his trademark "scarf" (singular). However, Baker had two different scarves, the multicolored one he's most famous for, and a "shades of plum" one that he used more in the later seasons (to get really technical, there were three, because the really long multicolored one that dragged the floor had a somewhat shorter "stunt double" for running scenes). I've corrected the entry, but wanted to clarify here. EJSawyer 18:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a tough semantic one that may not have a correct answer. The Doctor only ever wore one "scarf" at a time and the way you have written it makes it sound like he might have worn more than one at a time. So the wording sounds a bit off to me, but, that is just me and others may be okay with the it. As you point out Tom Baker as the Doctor did were different "scarves". I have read that the original multicolored one of the first two/three seasons became longer when they added length to it in season four (this is when the stunt double one that you describe became necessary.) The scarlet/purple one (just my description of it, yours is good too) was only used in his last season. There was actually one more (though this is a bit of obscure trivia that I love pulling out from time to time) since, in Terror of the Zygons, he wears a normal length tartan one for a few minutes at the beginning of episode one. Even more nitpicky in Talons ... he is wearing a short paisley one at some points in the story. Thanks for pointing this stuff out and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 21:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gets Through To Mr. Sin?[edit]

Possibly interpretative on my part, but I always figured that Mr. Sin turns the dragon-gun against Greel not because the Doctor convinces him to do so, but, rather, because the Peking Homonculus is fundamentally unstable, or the murderous pig instincts took over causing a slip into unreasoning homicidal mania, etc. etc. etc. I suppose there's no way to definitively prove this, but it's not obvious one way or the other from the episode viewing. Would be curious to get a consensus before recommending edit. Sskoog (talk) 05:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Doctor makes no attempt to convince Sin to fire on Greel. As you say, this is merely bloodlust on Mr Sin's part. This should be edited. Quark66too (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Doctor attempts to convince Sin by mentioning that Greel using an unstable time cabinet will cause an implosion, destroying them all. Whether this convices him to shoot Greel is another matter. DonQuixote (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Racist bits?[edit]

It says that some English characters were racist towards the Chinese in this episode... anyone have a list of incidents/lines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.120.73 (talk) 04:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The racism in this episode toward the common Londoners is rampant. This portrayal of working class men and women borders on hate crime. The Doctor even refers to them at one point as being of the "Cockney" Tribe.71.185.211.250 (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A key point of criticism was the depiction of Li H'sen Chang by a white actor. Which confuses me, as even when I first was it I thought this was intentionally a white character with a Chinese stage persona - similar to the real life Chung Ling Soo, in reality a white American (real name William Robinson), who performed in London as a Chinese magician in the 1910s. He never spoke native English in public except on the occasion of his death, when he was accidentally shot during a performance of the bullet catch trick.Lord Mauleverer (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP edits[edit]

As noted by Rodericksilly the "article clearly states trigger warnings" and that wording should be left in the article. I don't know if this is a WP:ENGVAR situation, nevertheless the rotating IPs needs to stop edit warring. MarnetteD|Talk 17:17, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that it's the same person each time, using a dynamic IP address (4810:5EB2:B3E7:74C8; 8C89:1312:E3CA:8E77; 100A:19F6:46EA:C49C; 9CE5:74E:6054:18C3), they're way past WP:3RR. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info Redrose64. I did file this at RfPP (and I included a link to this thread in the request) and but Fastily declined it. I don't know how one is supposed to warn an IP that gets used only once and then they move on to a new one. That has never worked in all the years I've edited here. MarnetteD|Talk 17:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]