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Did you know... that the Doctor Who episode "The Sontaran Stratagem" is the first appearance of the eponymous aliens since the 1985 serial The Two Doctors?

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Continuity[edit]

Could the ATMOS constantly saying "turn left" have something to do with the upcoming episode with that name? I'm just noting it here incase it is! -Trampikey^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quite possibly, but we cannot be sure until that episode has aired. — Edokter • Talk • 19:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DO you think the Re-use of the Cyber-Conversion Frame and Mind probe props from Torchwood deserves a mention?82.22.144.78 (talk) 21:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone with a better memory and/or the DVD confirm my vague recollection that the bit about the female thorax is from "The Sontaran Experiment"? Daibhid C (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's from The Time Warrior. Linx, the Sontaran, was questioning why Sarah had a different thorax, to which Irongron answered by saying that she was a woman. DonQuixote (talk) 00:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst allowing Donna to use the TARDIS console controls, the Doctor refers to "making a dent" in the 80s, a reference to the manner in which the Doctor Who series was put in hiatus during that time. - i am pretty sure that the statement refers to the season 1 of revied dr who episode fathers day and not the show being on a hiatus. Pathfinder2006 (talk) 14:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a lot of companions have actually "steered" the TARDIS, have they? The only other ones I remember doing it, other than Rose when she was inhabited by the vortex, are Adric and Nyssa. Type 40 (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think it's just a joke about the Eighties decade, and how lame it was. Not entirely notable.Ray and jub (talk) 08:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 80s kicked ass! Peter Davison is the greatest Doctor ever.--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or could be a Douglas Adams reference? --192.25.22.11 (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since this thread seems to be veering off into a general discussion rather than a conversation about how to improve the article, could I remind people of our policy on this? Cheers! [youth-leader hat off] —TreasuryTag—t—c 20:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No Problem. I was done anyway. I know how serious you are and that you would never post unconstructive, snide comments on a page.--Dr who1975 (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a big fan of this article's section - the verifiable parts (previous encounters, dating controversy) are already mentioned, and the rest is veering on original research. Sceptre ^(talk) 02:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why you might be concerned. But a blanket statment of it being OR is not grounds for removing an entire section of diverse statements. For starters... the first item is cited from the BBC Doctor Who fact file... you can't get a better source. As for the others... with the exception of the UNIT acronym's meaning being changed (which you'll notice I took the liberty of removing the dupe) everything else is simply statements of occurences in a passive voice. Practically no opinions are given. Are there any item's in particular that concern you?--Dr who1975 (talk) 02:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Points 1 and 3 are mentioned briefly (plot and production). Medusa Cascade is borderline, and I'll try integrating it into production in the morning. Point 4 is OR, point 5 might be integrateable into the plot, point 6 is OR. Sceptre ^(talk) 02:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You'll have to be more specific at this point... do you mean point 4 and 6 before you removed a bunch of stuff or after (I realize they're probably wasn't even a point 6 after that but I'm just very confused now)? I have to go to bed before my wife divorces me... please give me 12 hours to respond... I'm not ignoring what you're saying but it can aford to have some discussion for a day. It's been up there for days already and, as I wrote... dozens of editors have already scrutinized thses items.--Dr who1975 (talk) 02:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any resposne with more specificity. In particular, what about points 4 and 6 make them OR. I'll leave the tag up for a while to give you a further chance to respond.--Dr who1975 (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sceptre, you keep reverting the info on the page regarding the history of Unit and the Sontarans but you refuse to say specifically why except for a generic statement that it is OR. Nobody else seems concerned with this sentence. Please give more detail.--Dr who1975 (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be a reference to The Last Sontaran, since it continues the storyline. --Kaleb.G (talk) 04:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Salutes[edit]

The Colonel, though clearly portrayed as a member of the British armed forces, salutes whilst not wearing head-dress both the Doctor and Donna, something a British army officer would never do. More than this, he salutes the Doctor -- whom he says he is honoured to meet -- whilst the Doctor is not wearing a hat, which a British soldier wouldn't do because it puts the other in the uncomfortable position of not being able to return the salute. Probably just an oversight in the production, but it could signify all is not as it seems with this incarnation of UNIT. --Coconino (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the rules are different for UNIT, OR thats not exactly notible, but good try.--Wiggs (talk) 20:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps Mace has read (or misread) UNIT's files on the Doctor as saying that the Doctor is of superior rank? Perhaps the Brig included a throwaway line that Mace misunderstood, or took too literally? Type 40 (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions[edit]

First, is this the first episode in which the Sontarans' home world is identified by the name Sontar? (It may sound obvious, but the Daleks don't hail from the planet Dalek, after all). Second question: is it worth noting that this is the third time this season that an element of The Two Doctors has been referenceds? Time Crash (which isn't officially part of Series 4 but will be on the Series 4 DVD) is the first multi-Doctor story since T2D, Fires of Pompeii was filmed outside the UK, the first regular series episode to be so produced since T2D was filmed in Spain (the 1996 movie was a movie, not a regular episode so it doesn't count), and now we have the Sontarans making their first regular series episode since T2D. Interesting coincidences. 23skidoo (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Both are non-notable original research IMO, if true. —TreasuryTag—t—c 07:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

Is anyone able to a section of this episode's reception? Pathfinder2006 (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the article. Type 40 (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Left hand down[edit]

A possible reference to The Navy Lark, where Sub Lt. Phillips is always giving CPO Pertwee the navigational order "left hand down a bit". 68.103.9.71 (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Sontaran Stratagem/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 20:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gabriel, I'll be glad to take this review. Sorry you've had to wait so long for one. I hope to post comments on this in the next day or two... Mrs. Khazar and I have just reached this point in the series, so once we've watched it, I'll be reviewing. Thanks in advance for your work on it, Khazar2 (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank YOU! There is no problem to me to wait someone like you who certainly will do a great review. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's very kind! More soon -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for waiting that extra bit. Mrs. Khazar gives both episodes 5 out of 5 stars, and I'm ready to do this review. On first pass, I only have a few minor concerns that I couldn't immediately fix. Overall, this looks strong; thanks again for your work on it. And let me know your thoughts on two minor points:

"joined a long line of mothers that don't get the Doctor" -- the source of this quotation should be clarified in-text--is this a statement by Doctor Who Confidential? Or someone they interview? I don't know how this show is usually structured.
"many stated Raynor improved from her previous episodes." -- "many" may be an exaggeration here--only one critic is explicitly identified as saying her writing improved. -- Khazar2 (talk) 20:47, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the word "many" for "some", and I specified that the sentence was said by Tennant. It was in DWC; you can see on 39:35 here. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 03:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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