Talk:The Powerpuff Girls/Debate Archive

Now who deleted my post? I got 2 suspects.

All right. I've even put in something about Garfield in one of his comic book strips stated he mentioned Sugar, Spice and Everything Nice which it is really, really true. You have to believe me for this one. It could be in an Orange or Red colored cover one.

Anyways, I don't mind one thing. If it is the Great Administrator or other true Administrators who deleted my post and thread, that's ok, I will understand. But if it is not the Great Administrator or other true Administrators, then it should be none other than Marcus or Marcus2 himself.

Sorry for being not polite but It is true. Unknown 3 16:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well hello there my fellow PPG fan. Im glad to see you have gotten so engaged in this matter, but there are two things you should know:

First of, the phrase "sugar and spice and everything nice" is originally from an old nursery rhyme, and not a phrase invented by the creators of the Powerpuff Girls. So Garfield was actually refering to the rhyme, and not the PPG.

Second, you should always sign your posts, weather you are a registered or anonymous user.Rattis1 16:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wait, you signed it while i was writing. Never mind what i said thenRattis1 16:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Thanks for informing me. About the first one, I did some research and oh gee, it is true and I'm ashamed of myself about that. About the 2nd one, I might forget at times so I won't mind having anyone to remind me. Unknown 3 16:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again...

Sorry Marcus, but you cant silence me by just reverting this page over and over again. I have the right to write here as much as anyone else. I want people to know about the edit i made to the article, which you erased without a valid reason. So here it is, once again:

The Powerpuff Girls TV debut in 1998 was the highest rated premiere in Cartoon Network history. For several seasons, the series consistently scored the highest rating each week for the network across a wide range of demographics -- from young children to adults.

And here is my source, from good ol' Animation World Magazine: http://www.awn.com/mag/issue5.07/5.07pages/demottppg.php3

Anyway, i must admit that my last post here was somewhat... uncivil (And so was the post of another PPG fan). I apologize for that. Nevertheless, you still bug the schnitz out of me with your constant attempts to undermine this article (as well as the articles for the PPG movie and the PPG episode list). And i still want you to engage in an open discussion about reverting my edits right here on this talk page, were everyone will be able to read it. For you see, i am absolutely confident that everybody will agree with me.Rattis1 15:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any such edit made to the article. SchmuckyTheCat 16:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, you dont, because Marcus deleted it. And i want him to come here and discuss that with me.Rattis1 16:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It took me about 2 minutes to look at every edit made by Marcus in the last month or so and I don't see him removing it. SchmuckyTheCat 16:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, what just happened? It seems that my post was deleted for some reason perhaps. Night Leon 17:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is the page the way it was prior to his deletion of my edit (my edit is in the "history" section):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Powerpuff_Girls&oldid=118143834

And he deleted my edit at precisly 12:28, 27 March 2007.

And im still waiting for him to talk about it, instead of just reverting this page over and over again. Rattis1 09:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I restored it and added a reference from the network itself. SchmuckyTheCat 14:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to restore it but I'm not used to computer programmings but now I'm learning so I will be waiting till then. I've also added my own cultural reference. However, our changes are not enough. Let's keep up the good work people. Night Leon out. Night Leon 14:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Good job. It's nice to see very reliable sources to this problematic topic. Maybe now, he'll consider it a bit more before springing into action. I just find it cool that that reference was found. Umandsf 17:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, there are so many people interested in this! SchmuckyTheCat 20:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The premiere of this show was NOT the highest rated premiere in the network's history. The What a Cartoon shorts for The Powerpuff Girls were not as popular as those for Dexter's Laboratory. PPG had only two, while Dexter had twice as many. Powerpuff Girls was not nearly as popular as Pokemon, Rugrats, and SpongeBob, for instance. Scooby-Doo, as I recall, was always more popular than PPG, meaning that PPG could not have scored the highest rating spots for the network. And there's no way that your reference is reliable! It is a biased site that promotes the show. If it's reliable, Lionel Richie is a British musician and was born in London. That is why I will remove this entirely. I will also point out that one really shouldn't believe publicity releases like those from Time Warner. Publicity releases like these give invalid information. Marcus2 22:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

TimeWarner making a press release stating facts (ratings data) gathered by third party sources is absolutely reliable. Animation World is an industry specific magazine that is also reliable. SchmuckyTheCat 22:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It is not possible that those sources are reliable because they are biased and will do anything to promote Cartoon Network and their show. Use common sense! Marcus2 22:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What? You are claiming TimeWarner is lying about ratings data from a third party? They don't own arbitron or whoever it is that compiled the statistics. Their press releases may be self-promoting but that doesn't mean they are unreliable. Also, please stay off my user page if you are going to tell me "You really don't know what you're talking about." Keep the discussion here and try to come up with data, instead of just stating your correctness by fiat. SchmuckyTheCat 23:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm just flabbergasted here how someone could just make such radical claims in the face of cold hard facts. I seriously want to know what goes on in the mind of Marcus2. Maybe then, I can fully understand what's going on. I've been around during this entire show, and I can pretty much also say, using common sense, I may add, that this show was very popular indeed. It has become such a cultural icon as those shows stated by Marcus2...I can certainly see that some minority is clearly using his rights to corrupt something that has no problems. Umandsf 05:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, it seems that Rattis, Umandsf and SchmuckyTheCat have something in common with me. The Powerpuff Girls may not have won the best shorts ever but it won lots of Fans out there including especially in my country. Heck, even my country's Ruler's son or daughter loves the Powerpuff Girls so much that he or she bought lots of the productions as fast as he or she could. Night Leon 08:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Im a very happy man right now. Not only is my edit back on the article, but i probably have enough people on my side concerning this little "conflict" so to be sure that if Marcus delets the edit again (which he probably will, even if it may take a few weeks/months) then someone is gonna put it back. Thanx people! You've restored my faith in humanity, in life, in love, and in the universe we live in! Rattis1 07:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. But still, we have to keep our eyes peeled. Even if the production of the Powerpuff Girls will end, their Wikipedia part will never no matter what. Night Leon 08:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh man! Something is amiss. And I know what to do when I see one. Night Leon 06:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you know why you all think this way? It's because whoever you are are all fools. Marcus2 20:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No personal attacks please. I'm not quite sure what the other users are up to, but I don't think you're removal of relevant sourced information is quite square. SchmuckyTheCat 20:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

For fudge sake Marcus, why do you even care so much about the Powerpuff Girls wiki-article when you dont even like the show? I just dont see your motives for again and again and again and again trying to delete edits from this article, particulary edits concering its high critical acclaim or great commercial succes. And dont give me any of that "trying to keep wikipedia NPOV"-blabber, cause there is no other wiki-article about any other show you treat like this. You dont seem to care at all about the Spongebob articles legthy, unreferenced "popularity" section, for example.

And my edit STAYS. Everyone but you agree that it should, so just give it up. Rattis1 22:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

You dirty rat! You people are blind and have all been propagandized by the positive promotion of the show's ratings! You keep telling me what I should do, and I assure you, it won't end very well. I can think of many other things to call what you actually are, but I just can't say it, God damn it. Marcus2 19:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Give it up indeed Marco. There are many fans against flames like you. And we will put that out. Night Leon 08:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Leonard, see my response on your talk page. Marcus2 19:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about you guys, but have you seen Marcus2's bio? It's obvious that he has a problem, but at least he mentioned that he indeed has a problem. I looked into it, and I've come to the conclusion that since there is no treatment for his condition at the moment, we should just ignore him for now. If he does such things again, it'll be best not to get into an argument and just undo the changes. We at least have to give him kudos for trying to explain why he does what he does. I understand now, Marcus, and I am sorry. I hope others will understand as well. Umandsf 03:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm on the neutral side or rather on my own side. I chose to love the Powerpuff Girls and there's nothing anyone can do about it. And no matter what Marcus does, either I or other fans will always be there to put things right. I don't trust Marcus, his problem is his problem, not mine, not ours. I respect Craig McCracken and his team for being the first ever to make shows without technologies but only using hands, papers and so on. Well, there could be others before them. Anyways, I have the right not to understand Marcus if I want to because I know what to do when I come into one problem. And you are right, we should just ignore him. In my view, I'll ignore him until he breaks my border line, end of my story, for now. Night Leon 15:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah right, Leonard. Marcus2 19:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

To Umandsf: May i assume you dont know anyone with Asperger Syndrome? You seem to talk about it as if it's a severe mental disability. Well, it's not. My best friend has it, and through him i have met plenty of others who has it. Even i was once suscepted (by school psychologists) to have the condition. So i am very familiar with Aspergers and know a lot about it. And let me just say, there is no reason to allow people with Aspergers to behave in a way that would'nt be aceptable for a "normal" person. Whenever my friend starts to get on my or someone elses nerves when he refuses to see things from anyone elses perspective, or when he is acting in an unaceptable way, i just tell him to stop acting like a child and start acting his age. Only then can he ever learn. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rattis1 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Rat, that never works. And have you even heard of Tony Attwood? He certainly knows that that does not help. Marcus2 19:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

That's Night Leon. Even Tony Attwood would just leave you at the dump site even if he would go to jail for doing so. You should know what I mean. Do not forget that I am a friend of Lauren Faust through the Internet. Such a coincidence I must say. You may not believe me if you want to because I never bother what you think anyways. You see, Lauren Faust told me that the Powerpuff Girls Movie is one heck of a Movie because she said we Powerpuff Fans said so. And you are not one of them because you are not one of them. If I were you, I would just admit defeat but since I'm not you, I doubt you will even kneel down anyways. Love is most Important to those who cannot depend on themselves. 17:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Leonard...I am sorely tempted to summon an administrator to take action here. You don't even know Tony Attwood. You don't even know what you're talking about, except when you're talking about your fan base! You fail to give concrete proof as to how these sites you provided are reliable. Once a dubious idea, or proposal, OR statement is rejected by a user, it should STAY rejected, and there is no reason AT ALL why I shouldn't delete it. As long as you give no concrete or direct proof on the reliability of your sources, or if you don't state why it is too important to delete: the edit will be continuously removed. Marcus2 18:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Guess what? My Father and Mother as well as my Teachers know who Tony Attwood is through History, TV and the Internet. And guess what? Yes, an Administrator will be needed. Needed to take out someone like you Marcian. Do not forget that no matter who we are, we have the right to do the right thing. Rattis was doing the right thing and so was I. You're the one doing all those things that Administrators would not like to have you do so. Because the Powerpuff Girls are Craig McCracken Characters and a lot of Children and Teenagers excluding you especially Love the Powerpuff Girls and there's nothing you can do about it except for the Administrators which is not you Marpy. Powerpuff Girls Rule! Powerpuff Girls Rock! Powerpuff Girls Forever! And since you say Rejected, then I say that if users like me and Rattis should have the Idea stay then it should STAY. Once again, Powerpuff Girls Forever! Night Leon 06:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Night Leon, you are a liar! If you're not also a mentally ill freak, I hold this as the truth: J. Pat O'Malley was born in Boston. He was an Irish-American film and television actor.

Because of your status here on the Wikipedia, you are NOT one to be trusted! And I assure you, there are absolutely no American children who love the Powerpuff Girls. And hardly anyone likes it. If these statements aren't true, there are people in the world born in 1730 or before that are still alive! I'll tell you what, I start college tomorrow, and you better not undo my acceptable changes, once more, or you will be reported (if I see after my semester ends that my changes are reverted). Grow up and watch shows like SpongeBob and FOP (The Fairly OddParents) instead. But I forget, and being a good man I can't say it to you. Marcus2 20:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not a mentally ill freak and I'm definately no Liar, I can assure you that. Just ask Rattis1. I know that Craig McCracken and Lauren Faust both learn Animations at California Institute of the Arts. Craig McCracken is an American animator and Lauren Faust is an American born animator of Lithuanian, Polish and German descent. Her Project is Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls. And those are the truth.

Why you acted like that and said that I'm mentally ill freak? That's because like whoever said you're jealous, it's because you're jealous! J-E-A-L-O-U-S, Jealous!

Wait, I should not be angry, I should talk this in a calm way. No, I am not mentally ill. What's wrong with me loving the Powerpuff Girls? It's the same reason why Marcus/You hate the Powerpuff Girls. I guess I finally understand. I'm really sorry. But nevertheless, we are stable. Loving and Hating a lot will just make things come and go endlessly. And also nevertheless, what you delete is what you delete and what I put back is what I put back. Like what Blossom (Cathy) sang in See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey... Why can't we all just get along? I'll take her words. What say you and I get along or even make a deal? If you don't delete or revert our things, we won't argue anymore and put the bad things behind us and we will only add necessary informations into the article of Powerpuff Girls especially me. All right?

If not which I think you would not agree on, then we can go on and on and on until the end of the world. What will we call it? Oh yes, Wikipedia War. Honestly and I mean honestly, I hate to argue and fight, really. I argued and fought with you because you made me angry and you did the same because I made you angry. So why can't we just get along? Tell you what... I'll take away all those not really important things that I see are not important. If there are no things that are not important to ME, it STAYS. So what do you say Marcus? Do we have a deal and we're good? Or do you choose not to give up and continue to argue because I'm fine with that. let me know in my talk page personally and we'll settle things there ourselves. To have a witness, I'll take Rattis1. If you got a problem with that, then we will go on arguing whether we like it or not. Now think about what I said and I'll think about the way I treated you and the way I acted of being over caring for the Powerpuff Girls. Really, think about it. And by the way, you did not want to listen to me so we'll go on arguing if that's what you really want because like I said, I'm fine with that. Night Leon 05:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Enough with your dirty lies, Leon. It is very, very doubtful that there are any American children, or that many older people for that matter, that love the Powerpuff Girls, given the fact that the show jumped the shark, especially when McCracken left. The new designs and plots of the post-McCracken years were composed by an oddball team. So why did you even watch those episodes? You think the show never jumped the shark? If so, my friend, that is your fantasy. And given the note that Blossom sang "Why can't we all just get along," to me, she's a hypocrite: she led the girls into beating up an innocent clown named Rainbow. Now please, grow up and stop being childish. 70.101.160.105 01:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Treelo, I need some help here. That's right. I am not lying. I got a fact. Craig McCracken is coming back, I can assure you. There will be a New Season with around 25 Episodes and a New 30 Minutes Special in Works right now. If the Americans do not like the Powerpuff Girls, it's their taste, their choice. I don't mind. But there are many kinds of people out there. I have some teachers who love the Powerpuff Girls. My parents love the Powerpuff Girls. I have a Police Officer Friend who along with his Family love the Powerpuff Girls. That is a True Fact. Yes, I grew up. You do not need to be a child to love the Powerpuff Girls. Night Leon 05:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

What exactly does this have to do with me for you to request me specifically away from where I'd actually reply to you? If you know for some amount of certainty that a new season of The Powerpuff Girls is coming, you'd better damn well be able to source where you got this info. If you can't then I don't give a damn if you reckon people in the US don't like it (they must do or you wouldn't be seeing a new season if what you say is correct) or about yours or anyone else's fanboy credentials, it's not going to go in. This ain't picking sides because this is nothing more than a stupid ego contest between which of you is more right when it's most likely neither side is correct at all. --treelo _talk 11:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I am new to this. From what I can see here after a very, very long reading, I can see some sort of pointless war between Marcus2 and Night Leon and I hate that kind of thing. All that for just a Cartoon? Who cares what you think Night Leon? Who cares about all those Fan stuff? Who cares if the Powerpuff Girls jumped the Shark or not? From what I know, this Wikipedia Program/Site is all about informations, facts and so on. Not all about pointless things like being a fan and putting in sources or other things without proof at all. You may be in Wikipedia longer than I do but you are just making things worst than it was probably before and than it is now. And as for Marcus2, I can see that from what you wrote and how you think, I think the same way too. But I would not compare the popularity thing with what the Powerpuff Girls did to Rainbow the Clown as this whole thing is just a Cartoon for entertainment for God's sake. Adam Heart03 02:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

You are new, you should know that even though they're only cartoons and not deserving of any actual insight, acknowledgement or even good time spent on, they're still as "worthy" as any other artform out there. I don't like people stomping on animation like it's not worth spending time on, it is, had to get it out. Anyway, the war is pointless and is just fans being asses to other fans. --treelo _talk 14:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Enough!

Jesus Christ! Do I have to repeat everything all over again? You don't do a good job in informing people about what they need to know, but you do do a good job of promoting the show and deceiving these people. Just because one site says something does NOT mean it's 100% correct and should be considered an undisputed fact, as in a communist society. It happens NOT to be, or George Washington is still alive at 275 years old. I have some proof that these statements are not the case at all: the show has had ratings comparable to shows like Johnny Bravo, which was never very popular, and the movie based on the show did very poorly. And just speak to the experts outside the companies and fan bases, and your fantasies will shatter. Marcus2 20:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Enough? Heh. Repeat all you like because a lot of us Powerpuff Fans can play that game. Do not forget what I told you Marc. Also, do not forget who you are dealing with. And the whole world knows I know what to do when I see a problem. And that is to put your fire out which would ultimately happen.Love is most Important to those who cannot depend on themselves. 15:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Who cares what you say? You don't have much of a brain! Marcus2 18:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Rattis does since he needed help and I won't tell you where he got help from. The Great Powerpuff Girls Fan does. What was that? You don't have much of a brain? Hey! That's right! You don't have much of a brain! You finally admitted it! Congratulations Marcy, you earned the Title of "The Brainless Guy Who Doesn't Know What He Is Even Saying And Who He Is Really Talking To." Such a very long Title for a Brainless Guy I must say which happens to be you Macarena Macorono. Night Leon 06:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not listening to Night Leon anymore, since I am certain he's a mentally ill freak. Marcus2 20:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I realize I'm only an anonymous passerby, but it seems as if this conversation would benefit from a reminder of WP:CIVIL. --24.247.90.252 22:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why, thank you. Such a compliment. I'll tell you the truth about me. I LOVE the Powerpuff Girls and there's nothing you can do about it and you HATE them so much that there's nothing I can do about it so we're even all right? I have split personalities. One is Happy, one is Angry and one is Sarcastic. You'll have to notice the way I write to know what personality I'm having so I might be really a mentally ill freak after all. Also... It's just a Cartoon show anyways! Why are we arguing for? If you don't like it, then you don't have to delete all those references that we want and we did not force you to love/like them very much. And since I love it, I'll add in lots of references over and over because I love the Powerpuff Girls. And since you hate them, you can delete them over and over of course. We are doing our Jobs right? And I'm sure you will agree right? It's fine with me if you don't because we don't care what we think. Ok, so if you say American Kids don't like the Powerpuff Girls and they hardly being 0.01/100% like them, then that's fine with me because I'm not them, I'm not you. We are who we are. Do you agree? And if the Powerpuff Girls are being hated so much, why a lot wanted to interview with Craig McCracken and they said the like and possibly love the show? You can see that in Youtube by keying in the words "Craig McCracken Interview" and voila! And if the Powerpuff Girls are being hated so much, why did it won at least 2 awards and get dominations? it's quite rather popular right? Well, of course you would say no but I'm sure that we are who we are so if it's arguement you want, then we can argue all we want or we can settle down and put these nonsense behind our backs and completely forget about them once and for all.

So why can't we just get along? Night Leon 05:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Though it seems that Marcus might have been overreacting a bit, he's right. I bet there are as many American kids who like PPG as much as there are men living in Siberia that were born in or before 1730. Methinks it's much, much less than 1 percent of the American population of children, if not, probably nonexistent. 70.101.160.105 01:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether the Americans like/love/hate/dislike the Powerpuff Girls or not. If they dislike/hate it, they should watch something else, simple as that. But if they do like/love it, they would be watching it then. We do not have the power or right to stop them from doing so, so let them be. Adam Heart03 02:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)