Talk:The Phantom Carriage

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Move?[edit]

How about moving this to Körkarlen (film) which currently isn't even a disambiguation page? Neither the Swedish 50s remake nor the French adaption have Wikipedia pages anyway. Another idea would be to move it to The Phantom Carriage, which at the moment redirects here. Smetanahue (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Horror[edit]

Is it really accurate to call Korkarlen a horror film? Was it considered one in the early 1920s? It's clear watching the film that its intentions are not to be horrific. Supernatural or fantastical elements don't necessarily equal horror movie. By extension we could a call A Christmas Carol horror fiction. JonasEB (talk) 05:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is definitely intended to be horrific, even if the level of suspense tends to be higher in modern horror films. Watching this right after some modern Japanese or French horror thriller might make it difficult to see how the intention is to frighten. But just that it is old and more of a horror drama than horror thriller doesn't mean that it isn't horror at all. Put in the context of cinema from the same region and period, where any macabre content normally was cut by the censors, it certainly is a full-fledged horror movie. Smetanahue (talk) 16:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care about relative suspense, that has nothing to do with it. Unlike Nosferatu, I've seen no evidence that this was considered what would later be called horror at the time it was released. Only modern notes on the film have described it as such. The source novel and later 1950s adaptation have not been referred to that way. There's a tendency among people inexperienced with silent films to mark ANYTHING that could be construed as "horrific" as a horror film. Horror fans believe that the 1923 adaptation of The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a horror film because it has Lon Chaney in grotesque makeup. This is ridiculous. That was Universal's big budget prestige film in 1923, a grand romantic drama. Furthermore, Sjostrom's filmography does not indicate an interest in "horror". This film's primary beneficiary is Ingmar Bergman. The Devil and Daniel Webster and The Ghost and Mrs. Muir have more in common with this film than any horror film. JonasEB (talk) 05:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This should really be resolved with reliable sources. One of the more authoritative references on horror, Hardy's installment of the Overlook Encyclopedia, lists it as a horror film, as does Paszylk's "The pleasure and pain of cult horror films." Allrovi, on the other hand, calls it just a fantasy film. Anyone else have reliable sources that give a genre classification? Sp4cetiger (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Tome of Terror" has it listed as "fantasy/ horror".^[1]

References

^ Workman, Christopher; Howarth, Troy (2016). "Tome of Terror: Horror Films of the Silent Era". Midnight Marquee Press. p. 229.ISBN 978-1936168-68-2.

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This article is incomplete and is missing important information on the film's release and reception which needs to be added to the article. A release section which should include information on both its theatrical and home media releases. A reception section also needs to be added with reviews from notable critics and polls listing the film as the greatest Swedish film ever made. All of these additions need to occur in order for this article to meet Wikipiedia's guidelines and standards of a well developed article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Workman, Christopher; Howarth, Troy (2016). "Tome of Terror: Horror Films of the Silent Era". Midnight Marquee Press. p. 229.ISBN 978-1936168-68-2.

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