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On 23 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Greens New South Wales to The Greens NSW. The result of the discussion was moved.

'antisemitism' was listed under the ideology description[edit]

This should be considered vandalism for the following reasons:

The NSW Greens Party itself does not list 'antisemitism' as its ideology

This vandalism relates to current political events in a recent election in NSW. The listing of 'antisemitism' is a personal judgement call that does not adhere to the required encyclopedic standard.

The description of 'antisemitism' is not verifiable.

The edit does not appear to be in good faith. Bogadin (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whether true or not, it's not a political ideology anyway. No need to justify removing categorical errors, let alone blatant vandalism. Sambauers (talk) 00:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the issue is there's no consensus on what existing ideology framework would cover the NSW Greens way of thinking, but I think the Eco-Socialism ideology (already tagged), stemming from Socialism, is where allegations of antisemitism (that go beyond anti-Israel rhetoric) should be alleged (with references to those published allegations).

Jenny Leong's latest diatribe against the "Jewish lobby" pretending to care about multiple social issues so that it can penetrate its "tentacles" (in her words) into positions of influence is textbook antisemitism, but probably wouldn't be officially platformed by a Socialist or Eco-Socialist group in any Western country. The basis of Jenny Leong's claim features on countless antisemitic videos on Bitchute, but this is mostly claimed on behalf of individual conspiracy theorists, not an overriding ideology, with the exception of those professing allegiance to Nazism or Islamism.

The Greens in NSW, like many far-left groups, use a lot of the same language as Iranian clerics, who are seen as openly antisemitic when it comes to conspiratorial claims, but that may be because Iran borrows a lot of "terminology" from Marxism as a political strategy. Jenny Leong would claim a slip up, but Iranian clerics would double down. In practice, the Marxist Fedeyeen were quickly deposed once the Shah was overthrown, and those Marxists were seen as "useful idiots" by the new regime. 120.18.136.62 (talk) 09:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

views on israel palestinian issues[edit]

to include it or not? see revision history for what was entered and subsequently removed. Soosim (talk) 08:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

there are two problems with the suggested addition - the main one is that it puts undue weight on a single policy area when there are no other policy mentions on the page. Adding a policies summary section would be useful and something on Israel/Palestine might well go in there (assuming NPOV could be agreed...). The specific words needed NPOV work as well in my view. Chrismaltby (talk) 01:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Internal factions[edit]

The Greens NSW do not officially have internal factions. Whether there are de facto factions is another point of argument. More so, where is the evidence that currently the Greens NSW have an official or not 'anarchist' faction or an 'eco-socialist' faction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Centenarypark14 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct in saying that there is no formal factional structure within the NSW Greens a la the ALP. However, as the provided links indicate, eco-socialism has had a significant and distinct influence on the ideology of the Greens party in NSW. Compared to other states, the Greens in NSW have a strong historical link to groups on the far- left. In the early nineties, the DSP and the remnants of the Communist Party embraced eco-Socialism and new forms of political organising and participated in the emergent Green movement. In particularly, the DSP developed 'Green- Left Weekly which attempted to tap in to the rise of Green and environmental politics (http://www.reasoninrevolt.net.au/objects/pdf/c000005.pdf)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).. : In fact, the structure and political aims of the post- Communist Party 'New Left Party' resemble the basic structure of the NSW Greens today: http://www.reasoninrevolt.net.au/biogs/E000530b.htmCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

This far- left influence helped contribute to the uniquely decentralised, leaderless structure of the NSW Greens, the stronger emphasis on non-Parliamentary activism and, to an extent, the state party's more radical politics.

That is not to say the more mainstream 'Green politics' dominant in other Australian and global Green parties has no place within the NSW Greens. However, there are two distinct tendencies within the NSW Greens that ought to be recognised. Rather than referring to these groupings as 'factions', I feel 'eco- socialism' should remain listed alongside 'Green politics', but instead be referred to as an 'internal tendency'. You'll note though that the informal factions within the UK Conservative Party are listed as 'factions' underneath the 'Ideology' section. 58.168.81.220 (talk) 20:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding centre left to left wing[edit]

I have added 'centre left to left wing' in the ideology description section, in addition to 'Greens politics'. This better clarifies what 'Green Politics' means and reflects the existence of the left wing "Left Renewal" faction and more moderate tendencies.

Here is one of many sources: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/21/factional-infighting-erupts-in-nsw-greens-over-lee-rhiannon-claims — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.78.207 (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 December 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) The Night Watch (talk) 16:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greens New South Wales → The Greens NSW – The party's name as expressed in its constitution and on the party register is the short form. There is precedent for the shorter form of the state's name being in the names of political parties in parties such as The Nationals and One Nation NSW for their article titles. DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support: Although this isn't a source, I am a member of the party myself and it is indeed called The Greens NSW, not Greens New South Wales. I actually had visited this article right now to propose the change myself. The constitution and party registration clearly lists the name as The Greens NSW. It is also very important that the "The" is a part of the party name. J2m5 (talk) 07:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support: not sure why this is called the longer term, when it is always shortened. The AEC also has the party as The Greens NSW. Catiline52 (talk) 08:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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