Talk:Technical geography/GA1

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Reviewer: The Blue Rider (talk · contribs) 21:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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Stability[edit]

  • Last edit today (17th March), no edit wars in place; overall stable, pass!

Images[edit]

  • All images are properly licensed, though [1] has no attribution so I can't verify. Some images while having a suitable caption, they are missing a citation since the text is not in the body of the article, specifically the tusk and the globe.
    •  Fixed I changed the image for photogrammetry to one that is in Wikimedia Commons. I added citations to both the tusk and globe from the History of cartography page, where I originally lifted those images from.

Copyvio[edit]

  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector points to 3,8% due to a paper's title.
    •  FixedGeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • There was no need to fix, it is reasonable to have the titles of works.

History[edit]

Early history and etymology[edit]

  • Two "meaning" in a row, maybe try to change one of them.
    •  Fixed. Reworded section to eliminate the duplicate words, and added Wiktionary links to words being defined.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • from Greek → from the Greek
  • Not sure why is etymology paired in the history section.
  • Comment: etymology is defined on Wikipedia as "the scientific study of the origin and evolution of a word's semantic meaning across time" and the "across time" part is why I combined them. The two sections were separated initially, but I combined them because they had become redundant. Please see version here before the sections were merged. Information relevant to the original term and the early history were essentially the same thing. Perhaps the content should be either split again, or renamed?GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to say the paper title, just say who published it instead.
  • they state they chose → they chose
  • What is practical geography? Can we add a wikilink to that?
  • Comment: practical geography is mentioned in the text from the 1700s I traced the term "technical geography" to. This is not to say this is the first use of the term technical geography, but that I struggle to find older books. The author states that they chose technical geography over the term practical "...as it is called by others, to avoid confusing the terms; for this branch of geography has its theory and practice..." You can read the quote here on page 48. To my knowledge, practical geography has fallen out of use as a term and is fairly close to what we call "applied geography." Wikipedia has no page for either of these terms.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add wikilink to remote sensing.
    •  Done
  • I feel like this is unnecessary and not encyclopedical: "Going back to the Greeks..."
    •  Fixed
  • Commas before and after "Geographia".
    •  Done
  • Remove the Ya'qubi book from the wikilink.
    •  Done (I think)
  • Is this quote, "Mathematical Geography, Geodesy, Topography and Cartography, Instruments, Projection, The Universal Hour, A Prime Meridian, Orthography of Geographical Names, etc." really needed? It is too big.
    •  Fixed shortened the quote to three.

20th century[edit]

Early 20th century[edit]
  • Add wikilink to geodesy.
    •  Done but in earlier mention of geodesy.
  • Add wikilink to regional geography and physical geography.
    •  Done
  • Remove the "Here...".
    •  Done (I think)
  • Why is the S in Scientific capitalized?
    •  Fixed
  • Why are the fields' first letters also capitalized? Maybe it is normal, but I personally find it odd.
    • comment' older convention was to capitalize important words like scientific terms in publications. I changed to lower case to be more in line wiht modern conventions.
  • Per MOS:PARA, one sentence paragraphs are too be avoided.
    •  Fixed
  • This section could be more complete. Geographers trying to make technical geography close to natural sciences seems like a big deal! How exactly did they do it? Is such approximation obsolute now?
    • Comment Citations between 1900 and 1950 are particuarlly hard to find unfortunatly. Will work on a bit more to flush out.
Quantitative revolution[edit]
  • Add wikilink to spatial information.
    •  Done
  • Does the source describe Jekns as influential? If not, remove the MOS:WEASEL wording.
    •  Fixed Changed word "Influential" to "preeminent," added peer-reviewed publication that uses the word and that discusses his work on cartography curriculums.
  • "While how best" is confusing.
    •  Fixedchanged wording
  • Change "across the country" to "across United States".
    •  Done
  • Both this section and the previous one are too american-centric, if this continues the broadness criteria might not pass.
    •  Comment: The quantitative revolution was a paradigm shift that started after WWII, mostly in the United States and, to a lesser degree, Great Britain. The reality is that the technology of the 20th century (remote sensing, GPS, and computers) that drove the rapid development during this time is largely American in origin. In later sections, British geographer Stan Openshire is quoted, and Geomatics and Geoinformatics are discussed to bring in French and Swedish perspectives. The publication Geographia Technica is published by the University of Lorraine, and the editor Ionel Haidu is heavily cited. Dutch cartographer Ferjan Ormeling Jr. is also cited heavily because of his work on the UNESCO Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems. I've tried to bring in literature from outside the US, but during the time frame between 1900 and the current day, the US has dominated this field. I will continue to look for more sources from outside the US.
20th century technologies[edit]
  • "These technologies rapidly changed how geographers operated" how?
    •  Fixed, elaborated on some specifics. Added citation
    •  Comment: this is elaborated on a bit in the subsections, but is mostly based on content in the citations.
  • "and significant effort went into considering how best to incorporate them into the discipline" how?
    •  Fixed, reworded
  • "With these technologies came new disciplines and terms" such as?
    •  Fixed, gave example of analytical cartography
  • "These terms often compete and overlap with each other, and often originate in separate countries" explain further.
    •  Fixed, gave example. This is elaborated on in subsequent sections.
Remote sensing[edit]
  • Add wikilink to GIS.
    •  Done
    •  Comment: GIS is included in the section following Remote Sensing and linked there as well as one of the "main" pages. I included the link here following the comment, but I wanted to point out that it is linked redundantly. I'm not sure what the best approach is here, as GIS is chronologically after remote sensing as a technology.
      • If it is already linked then there's no need to link again, my bad. The Blue Rider 22:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add wikilink to remote sensing.
    •  Comment: Remote sensing is the "main article" of the section and is linked there.
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