Talk:Svarog

Etymology

Mightn't svarga and svar come from the same root? A clear sky is also bright, for instance, and the generally accepted view is that the Slavic languages are also Indo-European, and are thus related to Sanskrit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proto-Slavic_language The earliest lexical or semantic borrowings were from the North Iranian languages of the Scythian, Sarmatian, and Alanic tribes. Many of these borrowings had religious connotations, including such terms as bog 'god', div 'demon', gatati 'to divine', raj 'paradise', svet 'holy', as well as the name of the supreme Slavic deity, Svarog. -Iopq 20:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

"Older myths describe him as a smith god, identified with the generative and sexual powers of fire. In those myths, Svarog fights Zmey, a giant serpent or a multi-headed dragon."

Where exactly do these myths hail from? Judging by the name Zmey, it could be Northern Slavic mythology. Is this true? As far as I know, Slavic mythology is not a uniform block, and differs from area to area, so these kind of statements should also be geographicaly pinpointed. --213.172.246.69 20:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"The etymology of the word Svarog is likely to be Slavic svar (bright and clear)."

Slavic svar means quarrel, argument (e.g. Polish modern plural swary = squabbles quarrels), so if Svarog is derived from Svar (what is not sure, becouse the ending -og is not typical ending) than it was rather War-God (like Mars) - the God of quarrel... I dont know what is your source of Slavic meaning 'bright, clear' but its rather meaning of Persian word 'svarga; that looks similar to Slavic Svarog (and thats why some scholars say they are connected)...

Agree, to me it seems Svarog has more of a connection to the "rog" (horn) part. Since it can be considered a Zmaj it probably had horns instead of an Ala which has fins like a fish. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 06:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

May I clarify some things here? Swar or more modernly Skwar mean sweltering in Polish (quarrel is secondary metaphor meaning, so irrelevant). Svarog (what in fact may be translated as "heat horn") was a sun and sky deity who also was a god of forgery. It is also worth to mention that sun deity Dažbog also known as Swarożyc was formally considered as son of Svarog, but all those names may also refer to one deity worshiped as separate because of regional influences. And by the way.. Zmaj or Żmij is basically Slav version of dragon, literally translated as Serpent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.58.21.151 (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

There's not point in trying to 'clarify' original research with your own original research. There's even less of a point in joining in on an original research 'discussion' from 2010. Either the etymology is backed up by reliable sources or it is a speculative hypothetical by amateurs, and has no place in the content of the article. Thanks for your understanding. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

See

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%97

and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-Iranian/suHarg%C3%A1s

for some RSes and little OR. Zezen (talk) 10:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Sources added

Hi, I've just added a very important source about Svarog (or, rather, Svarogich) - Chronica Slavorum (Kronika Słowian) by Thietmar of Merseburg, a missionary who wrote about this Deity. I hope it fulfills the need for citation. The book itself (a PDF) is located on the religious group website, however it's the original text of the chronicle with a scholarly, academic comment. It was placed there because Rodzima Wiara cares a lot about the attestations of their worship and other practices. Cheers, Critto (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

the old slavic hitlar wheel of slavstika

the symbol was used by a movement which sought to enslave and to eradicate the slavs and there is no chronicle to identify it as a symbol of any particular slavic god. this grave insult must be removed and the responsible self-hating slavs must be identified and moved for zwangsarbeit to germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.147.79.253 (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It is hard to debate with someone who clearly sleep in school and use hatred language, but as that topic show up I need to clarify that Swastika as a symbol was only stolen and desecrated by Hitler, when it is universally used solar symbol on whole world also including some Slavs groups, though I agree that it wasn't symbol of any specific god. Also "self-hating slavs"? Excluding that we write word Slavs with big letter it sound clearly like something from Soviet propaganda, specifically based on idea that Slave mean Russia and all Slavs who hate Russia hate also own roots, what obviously was a lie as Russia isn't even oldest from Slavs countries but definitely most possessive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.58.21.151 (talk) 18:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Dubious links to Norse myth

Trying to link cultures by shared motifs that don't exist is problematic. The text claims a parallel to Norse myth wherein 'the smith god' forges a weapon for the thunder god, when no such deity exists in Germanic myth. Mjollnir is forged by two dwarves. Hermalausaz (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hermalausaz Eitri and Brokkr are blacksmiths and this is what author meant. I removed god word for now. Sławobóg (talk) 15:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Svarog star / sign symbol

I only skimmed through the article, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere. It might be worth including a section about the sign with a note that it is also mis-used by some nationalistic groups (like this one), so that people would be careful about using it if they happen to run into it.

That's probably what the person in the section "the old slavic hitlar wheel of slavstika" was also trying to convey (though, in a problematic manner, as someone pointed out). Nakonana (talk) 13:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)