Talk:Sunset Key

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Needs merging[edit]

If Key West Hilton doesn't deserve its own page (and why would it?), well, what's up? Nice pictures. This content need merging. --Wetman 21:12, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Because this is an inhabited key in the Florida Keys, and notable. - Marc Averette 01:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Marc Averette. Even though Sunset Key is now privately owned, it is still a U.S. island with an important history. This article needs expansion and more quality sources, not merging. -- Satori Son 15:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move article[edit]

I believe this article should be moved to "Tank Island", which is the official name. "Sunset Key" seems to be only a marketing name of the real estate industry. Moreover, I believe this island (just like nearby Westin Island) should not be grouped with the "outlying islands" but with the "lower keys", as it lies immediately west of Key West main island (about 400 meters). In addition, it is administratively a part of Key West City. The Mule Keys, starting 4.4 km further west, and separated from Key West/Tank Island/Westin Island by Northwest Channel, however do certainly belong to the outlying islands.--Ratzer 21:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As article names should be based on the most common usage, "Sunset Key" appears to right for this article. Tank Key can be created as a redirect. -- Donald Albury 13:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. First should come the official name. Anyone without local knowledge will most probably get only confused with marketing names. You can put a redirect on the common usage name to the official name. The special problem here is that there is a real Sunset Key on Florida's west coast that bears this name officially, see [1].--Ratzer 14:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite common for geographical features to be renamed for 'marketing' purposes; for example 'Mosguito Inlet' became Ponce de Leon Inlet, 'Little Grassy Key' and 'Big Grassy Key' became Davis Islands, Tampa, Florida and 'Raccoon Key' became Key Haven. Also, I find a lot of ghits for the Sunset Key next to Key West, but I haven't found one for either Tank Key or for a Sunset Key on the west coast. Finally, name conflicts are handled through disambiguation, not by deprecating the widely known name of something (note that there is also a Sunset Key CD that will require disamquation if it qualifies for an article). -- Donald Albury 12:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have to check case by case what is the official name by the U.S. Board of Geographic Names (look for feature anmes on [2]), anything else is a mess. Who is to decide when a marketing name or common usage name should be the primary name under which an article is to be found? Among your examples, I have found that Davis Islands, Tampa, Florida is an official name, but Key Haven is not. Maybe in a few years, the U.S. Board will accept the common usage or marketing names as primary official names. I believe that an article should always be named after the official name. A common usage or marketing name can redirect to the official name.--Ratzer 16:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per this guideline, and this policy, articles should use the most common name for the object covered, i.e., the most likely title a reader will use in looking for the object. -- Donald Albury 13:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be that Dredgers Key and Fleming Key (which appear on detailed maps), both immediately north of Key West Island, also have different common usage names, because there are no Wikipedia articles with these names?--Ratzer 16:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dredgers Key is commonly known as Sigsbee. It is Navy property (housing) and inaccessable by civilians. Fleming Key is the common name for the other one which is also Navy land accessable only by entering Trumbo Point gate. Neither Sigsbee or Fleming Key are under city of Key West jurisdiction. They are both under federal (US Navy) jurisdiction. A Navy base pass is required to enter either one. - Marc Averette 19:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When you scroll down to Key West City on [3], and then click on "Map It", a map with the city limits of Key West City is displayed (as of Census of Population 2000). On this map, the two northern islands are shown as part of Key West City (as of the year 2000). Did this change recently?--Ratzer 06:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nearby Westin Island? Could you be referring to Wisteria Island? I've lived there all my life and never heard of 'Westin Island'. The island right next to Sunset Key (Tank Island) is known as either Christmas Tree Island (due to it being covered in pine trees) or Wisteria Island. - Marc Averette 16:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you're right, it's Wisteria Island (I don't know where I got "Westin" from :-)--Ratzer 14:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership of the island[edit]

Is the island "privately held among its residents" (lead para.) or "owned by Tom Walsh" (History section)? BobKilcoyne (talk) 07:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ferries minutiae[edit]

Why does this article include detailed, unreferenced, 10-year-old (April 2014 edit), breakdown of:

the names of every ferry boat
the engine capacity of every ferry boat
the number of boats, by type (redundant - see item 1, itself unimportant)

Is this marketing for the ferry boat operator? Is the pertinent fact not, simply, that the island is not connected by bridge to Key West, with access provided by private boats and a ferry service? With a reference would be even nicer. Jmg38 (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. I have deleted the section. Donald Albury 16:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]