Talk:Sufism in India

Formatting Article

I've added a new subsection for a list of Imams and added a new section for each type of movement --Notedgrant (talk) 11:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Basic points which need development

Here is what I feel should be the basic format of the article

• Introduction: Brief summary of Contribution of Sufi saints in spreading Islam in South Asia; their philosophies and way of life; Attempts at revivalism in the 18th and 19th century
• Sufi saints of Medeival India

This section should start with a bit about Sufism; Initial Sufi saints in India including Ali Hujwiri

• • Chishti order

The establishment of the Chishti order by Moinuddin Chishti. Its practices and patronage. The big 6: Moinuddin Chishti, Bhaktiyar Kaki, Baba Farid, Nizamuddin Awliya, Chirag Dehalvi and Khwaja Bande Nawaz. Its splitting into branches.

• • Naqshbandi, (similar)
  • Suhrawadi(similar)
  • Qaadri(similar)
  • Other orders(similar)
  • Influence on the common people

Role of the Sufi saints in comparison to the Bhakti movement in Hinduism; conversion of natives to Islam

• • Cultural impact

Qawwali, Tombs, Shrines etc of the Sufi saints; The role in shaping Indo-Islamic culture

• Sufism in the modern era
  • Synthesis of orders

A note on the metamorphosis that Sufi orders have undergone following which they are no longer separate entities; rather initiation is done in many orders at the same time; reason for this synthesis (primarily decay and lack of vigor)

• • Political involvement: The involvement of the Sufis such as Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, Mehmud Hasan and Husain Ahmed in Indian politics
  • The Wahaabi/Salafi/Ahl-e-Hadith opposition to Sufi saints
• List of all Sufi saints

I propose that at present only blue links be added here. This automatically ensures (to some extent) that only notable Sufis are included. --Shahab (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree, I'll try to find relevant information --Notedgrant (talk) 12:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added some info I think we need to reformat the first paragraph and replace the last part (extra 9nfo which I added and the older one) under the heading Sufi saints of Medeival India,--Notedgrant (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

How about formatting the article into various sub sections NOW ?--Notedgrant (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Move to Sufism in India

I propose moving this article to the more generic Sufism in India article. The reasons are as follows:

• The Sufi Saints of South Asia cannot be understood without the wider framework of their Sufi orders and the context of the age that they lived in. A Sufism in India article will have a wider scope and will incorporate all these aspects.
• The list of Sufi Saints of South Asia should more properly be moved to the article List of Sufi Saints of South Asia seeing that there are such a large number of saints and it would not be feasible to embed them within this article. Once such a list is created the remaining Sufi Saints of South Asia article will mostly contain info about Sufi orders and their influences, something more aptly handled under the title of Sufism in India.

If there is no objection for a reasonable amount of time (few days) I will go ahead with the move. Regards--Shahab (talk) 14:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

No objection on my part--Notedgrant (talk) 14:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I have now moved the article. If anyone feels that Sufism in South Asia would have been a better name for the article they should keep in mind that India is also the historical European name of the region (witness Red Indian, West Indies, Indian Ocean etc) and this article refers to India in that sense. South Asia is a recent term. An established precedent of using India in place of South Asia in this regard is the History of India article which contains history of all of South Asia and not just of the Republic of India. Regards--Shahab (talk) 09:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion of details about various orders

I do not think various orders of sufism should be explained in detail because they already have articles explaining them in detail --NotedGrant Talk 08:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. A one para summary should be provided though. Cheers--Shahab (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

stub class?

Why has this article been rated as stub class (Shahab I'm really sorry I did not find much time to improve this article :( I'll try my best)--NotedGrant Talk 17:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the list of Sufi orders

I am thinking that these perhaps merit a page of their own, I was wondering what everyone else thought of that. Perhaps a summarized section regarding the different orders for this article? That's just me, the article really seems to have some general clutter and readability issues and I'd like to improve this in any way that I can. Peter Deer (talk) 05:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

that's right you can create a list of sufi orders :)NotedGrant Talk 12:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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This article needs a big history section; criteria for a Sufi saint to be included should be specified

Last edited at 01:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 07:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Naqshbandi prohibits music?

This order strictly prohibits music, dance and other liberal ingredients of the sufism.. This makes no sense, they sing Salawats? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.230.77 (talk) 08:50, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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