Talk:Stuart Milk

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Reference[edit]

What is the meaning of that reference on the top of the article, before the text and template?--В и к и в и н д T a L k 15:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked on this article and from a very neutral point of view as my first of 25 LGBT Wikipedia biography editorial projects - work appers well crafted and clearly referenced by reliable sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulieStern (talk • contribs) 20:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional template[edit]

I restored the maintenance template because of problems with WP:WORDS and WP:NPOV. The article reads like an advertisement and is chock full of POV statements listed matter-of-factly. An article with neutral point of view would not use unencylopedic style such as "The 1978 assassination of his famous uncle destroyed the "closet door" for Stuart Milk." and not rely on making statements such as "leader in public service", "prominent speaker", "his decades long role", "active in shepherding and growing his late uncle's legacy at the international, national and state level", "major characterization in the award winning play", "his decades of work in public service", "major media show Stuart Milk traveling to a broad range of foreign nations ". These are just some examples from the article that I found reading a mere minute. This article needs serious cleanup. Hekerui (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All of the statements you are objecting to come from quotes from the references. for instance "the 1978 assassination of his famous uncle destroyed the closet door for Stuart Milk and "leader in public service are from both the pulitzer winning article by Carl Nolte of the San Francisco Chronicle and from Sewell Chan of the New York Times. Cant see how more unbiased those two sources could be. I will refer this article for a review by Alice Weiss who writes reference material for Little Brown however it is well referenced, and except for being positive, (found nothing negative on the subject) it is very well referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulieStern (talk • contribs) 12:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edits in line with some suggestions by User Hekeui have been made, an additional editor has been requested to work on this biography. JulieStern

That's not a reason to remove the maintenance template. This article is still has an unencylopedic tone. Hekerui (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think enough edits have been made over the last month that it would be reasonable to remove the promotional notice template. Any objections? --Varnent (talk) 05:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of tag[edit]

I intend to remove the tag on 25 August 2011 - 7 days after I originally stated this intention above. Over 4,000 bytes and several citations have been added to address the above issues. After reviewing the content and making some tweaks, I believe the content has been revised enough to merit removal. If you believe this tag should remain - please state why. --Varnent (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per this and the above notice, the news release tag was removed. --Varnent (talk) 08:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I object. This is still a puff piece and not close to an encyclopedic article. No changes were made and to decorate this with citations does nothing to address the priblems with the text. Hekerui (talk) 09:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a fair objection. I've made some additional tweaks to the content added by others. I agree there were several areas that included too many adjectives and bias terminology and apologize that I did not catch them the last time I went through it. I was focusing more on the citations - my bad. Please review and let me know if you believe it still needs work - pointing out a couple examples would be especially constructive. --Varnent (talk) 03:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]