Talk:String Quartet No. 13 (Schubert)

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Well, op.29 was published as "Trois Quatuors" by Sauer and Leidesdorf, although the second and third ones did not manage to come out under the same opus number. (So D 804 might be better labelled "op.29 no.1", but that's never going to happen.) It seems almost certain that D 810 would have been op.29 no.2; the only candidate for an op.29 no.3 would be D 887 (op.posth.161), which indeed makes a worthy conclusion to a Classical set of three quartets. Alfred Einstein in his book on Schubert (published by Panther) seems to take this (including assigning D 887 to the triad) as a given IIRC. Double sharp (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

reference to Gretchen[edit]

This is clearly related to the oft-quoted letter to Kupelweiser from 31 March 1824:

“

I feel as though I am the unhappiest, most miserable man on earth. Imagine a man whose health will never be regained, and whose despair at the thought makes things increasingly worse, rather than better; imagine a man, I tell you, whose brightest hopes have come to nothing, to whom happiness in love and friendship offers nothing but the greatest pain, for whom enthusiasm for what is beautiful threatens to disappear, and ask yourself if that isn't a miserable and unhappy man? Meine Ruh ist hin, mein Herz ist schwer, ich finde sie nimmer und nimmer mehr—now I can sing that every day, because every night when I go to sleep, I hope not to wake up again, and each morning serves only to renew yesterday's grief.

”

(I quote the whole thing, because everyone seems to give it with ellipses.) The connection is even noted by the Hyperion liner notes; Graham Johnson further makes the point that now that Schubert has become one of his most famous song characters, the composition of original songs has dwindled in favour of quotations of the fruits of an earlier "golden age" in D 804 and D 810. This journal article also draws connections to D 887 and D 960 (I suppose one could extend it further to D 956 too). Double sharp (talk) 11:50, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Benedict Taylor's article is cited here in this connection. I fail to understand what you are driving at. Does something need to be added to this article?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That if we are going to mention the connection to Gretchen, we should probably also note the contemporarous quote from Schubert's letter. Double sharp (talk) 02:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. So long as it is made clear that the rather tenuous connection to Gretchen in the quartet ("a texture reminiscent of the melancholic theme from ..., Gretchen am Spinnrade") is the interpretation of Johnson, Taylor, et al., this does seem appropriate.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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