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Please leave as is - Still life by Vincent van Gogh (Holland) IMO is fine...Modernist (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Although Still life paintings by Vincent van Gogh (Holland) is probably fine also even if drawings and other paperworks are included...Modernist (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What's the net-net of this? Are you thinking the articles should be renamed to "Still life paintings by Vincent van Gogh (location)". (By the way, I'm also going to make them for other locations with still life, like Arles).
Yeah, adding the word paintings helps...Modernist (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still lifes are a genre imo, Van Gogh didn't just paint, so I agree with Modernist that the title shoudn't include the word paintings. But I would like to see it changed to (Nuenen) or (Netherlands), as Holland is here a pars pro toto and as said on the VvG page, Wikipedia should try to be as consequent and corrrect as possible. Joost 99 (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was a conversation with Modernist on RHaworth's page that it was decided to "add paintings". I see your point about Nuenen\Netherlands and if you'd like to change the name and Modernist (and anyone else who would like to weight in) is cool with that, please feel free to change the title and it's links. (There's been a lot of movement on the article name already)--CaroleHenson (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I see, I'll leave that as it is (although just still life would have sufficed imo and not conflicted with the opening sentence). I will wait for some more input on changing Holland. Nuenen seems best to me, because there were multiple places in the Netherlands where he painted.
I did find the first sentence 'constructed', and a very hard read. As if the title were a common name or even the subject itself of works by Van Gogh. I would opt for something like: Still lifes were the subject matter of many drawings, sketches and paintings made during Vincent van Gogh's early artistic career. While he lived in Nuenen he created a number of such paintings, dated 1884 and 1885. These works... Joost 99 (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I see your point about Nuenen. Please feel free to make whatever edit changes you think best for the article.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Truth is the title is painted with a large brush. He made still life paintings in Nuenen, in Etten and The Hague and also in Antwerp, Belgium, before going to Paris. On the other hand the title conveys the desired point that these are his earlier works, done before his permanent move to France and his discovery of Impressionism and other more avant-garde painting styles and movements...Modernist (talk) 18:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think you missed the Holland - Netherlands issue (pars pro toto). Only The Hague lies in Holland, so I would say it is painted with to small a brush... ;-) For a reader informed on Dutch geography, this could be confusing. Netherlands would be better then. That Holland conveys the fact they are earlier works, is only to those well informed imo (something like 1884-1885 would convey that better). But it is not my intention to creat a a lot fuss by the way. Joost 99 (talk) 20:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I'm not excited about yet another change to the article title, I see Joost's point. I wonder if it should be titled Still life paintings by Vincent van Gogh (Nuenen) because 1) I read this link about Holland and it's as Joost says, it's a specific region within Netherlands, 2) Nuenen is the place where this set of paintings were made. Thoughts about that?--CaroleHenson (talk) 13:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Netherlands might work better because Nuenen is too specific, - Still life paintings by Vincent van Gogh (Netherlands)...Modernist (talk) 14:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
More out of curiousity than anything else, why is Nuenen too specific if all the still life paintings in this article are from Nuenen?--CaroleHenson (talk) 14:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And if we turn up others from the period, that might've been done elsewhere?...Modernist (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A quick glance at The Complete Van Gogh by Jan Hulsker turns up F202 Kettle with two Bowls painted in Eindhoven, (see letter 387), there is a mention of another still life which is currently missing in letter 398...Modernist (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eindhoven is a town next to Nuenen where Van Gogh taught students to paint. If you think it should be Netherlands, I'm cool with that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Then there is Antwerp - although there doesn't appear to be any still-life paintings that are recorded from his time there in '86. I think given Joost's input Netherlands will work...Modernist (talk) 17:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In 1881 he painted "Still Life with Cabbage and Clogs" (JH 81) and "Still Life with Beer Mug and Fruit" (JH 82) in Etten acoording to 'Van Gogh: the Complete Paintings' by Walther & Metzger. I don't know how to change a title, but Netherlands seems fine, keeps all options open, as said. Joost 99 (talk) 17:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Figured it out and done. Joost 99 (talk) 19:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
