Talk:South Jersey

Jersey versus New Jersey

This article's title should be changed to "South New Jersey", or, alternately, be changed to refer to the Southern region of the island of Jersey New Jersey was named for. Jersey and New Jersey are not the same. Just look them up. Referring to southern New Jersey as South Jersey is like calling the eastern part of West Virginia "East Virginia". What's next? The British making a show actually on Jersey and calling it "New Jersey Shore"? Jersey City, by the way, from my understanding, should not be "New Jersey City" as it was never thought of as a "new version" of a city in Jersey, but was instead so named because it was actually a Jerseyan city, by virtue of being situated in this "new Jersey". If I'm correct on this, that one should not be edited. The same goes for Jersey Shore, the show, but not for Jersey shore the shore, as an incorrectly titled thing (such as a TV programme) is still titled that, whereas the proper name for the so-called "Jersey Shore" geographical location is a misnomer and a shorthand used out of ignorance or carelessness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE0:C000:1:EDED:325A:E94C:308E (talk) 13:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Geographic center of New Jersey

Does the actual geographic center of New Jersey matter to anyone? Guess where it is, people... 5 miles SOUTHEAST OF TRENTON. Shocking, yes? Its right in... wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_centers_of_the_United_States Famartin (talk) 07:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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The South Jersey border is simply the northern border of Burlington County, running from the Delaware River to the Atlantic Ocean. Yes, there are parts of Ocean County much further south than parts of Burlington County but borders are rarely perfectly straight. Most real South Jerseyans would not consider Ocean County part of the south. Ocean County has been basically settled by refugees from New York. I have heard, on New York radio, East Brunswick, in Middlesex County, well north of Trenton, referred to as South Jersey. A New Yorker's view of New Jersey, and especially South Jersey, should not be considered valid in any way whatsoever.

About 25 years ago I took a linguistics course. The instructor asked everyone in the class to say a little bit about themselves without reveling where they were born, lived or grew up. After listening to me she asked if I grew up in the Philadelphia suburbs, specifically on the SJ side of the Delaware. I said yes. She asked me where I was born, I said South Jersey. She then explained to the class that people born in South Jersey, especially people whose families had been in SJ for several generations, nearly always said they had been born in "South Jersey" and not New Jersey. Conversely she explained that people born in the northern half of the state usually said they were born in New Jersey, and not North Jersey or Central Jersey. Over the years I have found her observation correct. Ocean County people, many of who I am sure are very nice, do not in general have that same identification with South Jersey as do real South Jersyans.

There are not many people over 30 who were actually born in Ocean County.(in 1940 the population was 50K and now it is over 500K) I was born there as was my father and grandfather and great-grandmother and her parents at least. Most Ocean County residents are refugees from North Jersey so they kept the ties to Newark, Jersey City, NYC etc.(thus all the Giants fans) If the state had completed Route 38 from Camden to Belmar(Monmouth County)as originally planned as a freeway or at least upgraded Route 70 to 4 lanes through the Pine Barrens, I think that Ocean County would be more in the Philadelphia orbit. The highway infastructure is more oriented to Norhern NJ rather than Philadelphia. The original 201/609 boundary is pretty good divider between South Jersey and Central Jersey. But if the only choice is North or South... Ocean County is without a doubt South Jersey. Point Pleasant has more in common with Wildwood than Wildwood has with Haddonfield or Point Pleasant has with Verona. Before the opening of the Parkway Ocean County was really not a part of NYC or Philadelphia influence, it was just a rural backwater. I would say like Cumberland or Cape May Counties were, just forgotten clamdigger counties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.63.201 (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I just pray the velvet divorce happens within my life time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.93.94 (talk) 03:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Note on Ocean County:

The southern portion of Ocean County (from Forked River on down) is part of South Jersey. They are not in the NYC metro area and are in the Philly area. New York City television stations do not broadcast in this area, only Philadelphia stations do. If you ever watch a Philadelphia newscast involving Ocean County towns such as Barnegat, Manahawkin, and Tuckerton, they will be referred to as SOUTH JERSEY towns.

Oh my, I don't think that you can consider what is said on TV as gospel. Remember, South Jersey existed BEFORE television, or radio for that matter. And keep in mind many Philadelphia TV personanlities are not native to the Delaware Valley. So using "broadcast areas" as a hard and fast rule is not really relevant. The existing Burlington County border is a nice already existing line of demarcation for eventual independence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.93.94 (talk) 00:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Ocean County

Alright, I know that the Philly newscasts count areas like Toms River and Barnegat in their stories, as well as LBI being a Philly destination. However, I also know that Lakewood northward is definitely NYC-oriented. So, how should this be solved? It looks like right now someone readded Ocean County, but classified it by saying "(Southern portion)". Should we leave it like that, or do we include/exclude it? This is a hard one, only because it seems like both metros are fighting over control of it and both sides would be right. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 15:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

• There are no hard-and-fast boundaries of South, Central, North Jersey, etc., and as long as there are sources to show that Ocean County is considered South Jersey, why shouldn't it be included. There's no reason that certain border counties shouldn't be listed as in both south and central, not just one or the other, with a listing on south saying it's also considered central, and vice versa. Alansohn 16:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, but I noticed it's been changed at least a dozen times in the past few days, so hence the need to talk about it. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 17:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Although Long Beach Island is sometimes grouped as South Jersey, Ocean County is general is part of the New York metropolitan area, so it is part of Central Jersey. Toms River is divided from Philadelphia by remote stretches of the Pine Barrens, and has a different culture than South Jersey. Apollo1758 (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I tagged the Southern New Jersey Development Council reference about South Jersey having eight counties as unreliable because the organization exists mainly for a political and economical objective, and doesn't represent South Jersey in a cultural sense. The organization has "southern New Jersey" in its name, but I've seen different meanings for southern New Jersey and South Jersey when used in context because southern New Jersey might refer to the geographically southern portion of New Jersey (versus the northern portion).

I found four sources that point to South Jersey having seven counties: [1] [2] [3] [4]. Also, the high school sports teams from Ocean County are grouped separately from the South Jersey high school sports teams in the newspapers. [5] [6] --Apollo1758 (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ocean County high schools compete in South Jersey groups though, from Lacey on south. (example: LTHS lost to Shawnee HS in the 2007 SJ Group III Football Championship)

Plus, there is no way Jackson twp can be considered an economic center of South Jersey. You might as well include Brick, Lakewood, and Point Pleasant, which are clearly not South Jersey. If anything, Barnegat, Tuckerton, Manahawkin, and even Forked River with its prehistoric power plant serve as more prominent commercial centers in South Jersey (plus these towns actually exhibit South Jersey characteristics)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.28.108 (talk) 02:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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Notable South Jerseyans

This section was deleted as OR regardless of the fact that every listen person has an article stating their residence in South Jersey. It was then removed without comment. The editor concerned with this should read the various articles, and if he doesn't see they link to SJ (which I have verified, having removed several unreferenced listings myself) he is invited to tag the relevant entries. μηδείς (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)