Talk:Socialist Party Scotland

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Proposal to revert back to revolutionary socialism as the party's main ideology[edit]

Trotskyism is the belief in 'permanent revolution', therefore if the party follows Trotskyism it must by definition want to implement a revolution. The other parties that are affiliated with it in Britain are also radical far-left parties, along with the radical Committee for a Workers' International, which it is internationally affiliated to. Given the party's other ideologies and affiliations it seems much more applicable to give the party the ideology of revolutionary socialism, than just socialism. These reasons have been given before but have been deleted without good reason to the contrary by Apollo The Logician, whom I suspect of personal bias.

This is WP:OR. Bias? what bias?Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No its not, just read up on Trotskyism. Helper201 (talk) 20:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hence my point. Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you were to read, you would understand how the two are linked. I've already explained in the edits regarding the state of Trotskyism and revolution and you have given no evidence to the contrary. Helper201 (talk) 20:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You need a reliable source not your own opinion.Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is not my opinion. As I keep saying, read about Trotskyism. One of the primary factors of it is a state of permanent revolution. Helper201 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ping if you have a reliable source.Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading about it on Wikipedia. Helper201 (talk) 20:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need anything in the box other than Trotskyism? I think that covers everything we need to say objectively. Maybe qualify what kind of Trotskyist party they are. Trotsky's rhetoric about "permanent revolution" was in practice a counter-revolutionary attempt to sabotage the Soviet Union by demoralisation, claiming that socialism could not exist in one nation. In fact, Trotsky and his clique only published the pamphlet "The Permanent Revolution" in Berlin in 1929, after he had been expelled from the Soviet Union for his subversive activities. There has never been a Trotskyist "revolution" anywhere on the planet. Claíomh Solais (talk) 01:00, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]