Talk:Skykomish people

Welcome to the page

Hello all, thank you for helping improve this page. One thing I would love to do is track down some original sources from Colin Tweddell (he is cited heavily in secondary sources). In any case, thank you to everyone who wants to work on the page! Paulie 27 talk 09:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

From my experience, his sources are notoriously difficult to track down. I have been trying to get my hands on his ethnography of the Snohomish for quite some time now. PersusjCP (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: The article could be improved by diversifying sources. There's an overreliance on Hollenbeck. In a couple of places sections of text rely on primary sources which I've marked as needing better sources.

TarnishedPath^talk 07:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Citations/clarification needed

@PersusjCP, Thank you for your reorganization! The page looks great. I did want to ping you about some of my concerns which I voiced through citation/clarification tags. Here's a summary of the citations/clarifications tags I added:

Article: Today, most Skykomish are enrolled in the Tulalip Tribes of Washington and the Snoqualmie Indian Tribe

Citation tag: All of this paragraph is later supported by sources, except (I believe) the assertion that most Skykomish are now enrolled in Snoqualmie/Tulalip tribes.

Article: ...the decision was reversed by Judge Don Nelson Laramore, granting the Snoqualmie Tribe a settlement of $257,698.29 in compensation for the Snoqualmie and Skykomish combined.

Clarification tag: What was the tribe being compensated for?

Article: To this day, the Skykomish are recognized as one of the founding nations of the Tulalip Tribes.

Clarification tag: per the source, "The Tulalip Tribes, [are the] successors in interest to the Snohomish, Snoqualmie, Skykomish, and other allied tribes and bands signatory to the 1855 Treaty of Point Elliott." It doesn't state that the Skykomish are a founding nation of the Tulalip. Can we find a source that states the Skykomish are indeed still thought of as a founding people of the Tulalip? One can certainly draw that conclusion from the Point Elliott Treaty, but that veers into WP:OR in my opinion.

Article: Although usage in Lushootseed has declined in recent years with the death of the last native speakers, both successor tribes of the Skykomish, the Tulalip and the Snoqualmie, have language programs and are working towards revitalizing the Lushootseed language.

Citation tag: this needs to be backed up somehow.

Thanks again for all your work on the page. Paulie 27 talk 00:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions :) Here is a more detailed summary of my changes:

1. Yes, I agree. I changed it to: "the Skykomish are succeeded by the the Tulalip Tribes of Washington and the Snoqualmie Indian Tribe"
2. I added: The Snoqualmie Tribe was hoping to gain compensation for the land ceded to the US government on behalf of the Skykomish.
3. Looking at the source again, they leave out (on purpose or by mistake?) the Skykomish in the section further down where they say: "It was created to provide a permanent home for the Snohomish, Snoqualmie, Skagit, Suiattle, Samish, and Stillaguamish Tribes and allied bands living in the region." I replaced that source which more clearly states that the Skykomish were one of the tribes included as part of the original Tulalip Tribes.
4. Added two sources, I forgot to add them earlier. Also briefly expanded with relevant info.

Please let me know if there is anything else needing clarification! PersusjCP (talk) 01:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)