Talk:Schmallenberg

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Icarus of Jakarta (talk • contribs) 04:07, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I think Schmallenberg should redirect to Schmallenberg virus because for various reasons. People searching for the city would search Schmallenberg (city) or Schmallenberg (town) Some of the reasons are that most people who search Schmallenberg will not be searching for the German city but for the virus for the following reasons. 1. This redirect would very useful for scientists, doctors, university students or any people who learn, study, and research diseases. 2. Most non-Germans will associated Schmallenberg with the disease than city because this German city is not noticeable outside of Germany while the virus has gained more noticeability in countries like the USA, Canada, Great Britian, or any non german-speaking country. 3. Even many Germans will associate it with the virus as most Germans have not heard of the city of Schmallenberg. I know this because I have talked Germans about the city. The only area of Germany where the majority have heard of it is the area surround it such as Arnsberg, or Meschede. But this all does not mean Schmallenberg is not a unheard or unimportant city in Germany. This a redirect for discussion. Please right below if you are in support or oppose.

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The above section is a bungled attempt at creating a move discussion. The proposer has been adviced twice about the procedure for initiating a WP:RM#CM. Just to avoid any claim of "consent by silence", I will give my !vote here. --T*U (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Strong oppose: The name of the town is "Schmallenberg". The (informal) name of the virus is "Schmallenberg virus", and no-one would call it a "schmallenberg". It is completely illogical to expect people searching for the city to put (city) or (town) in parenthesis in the search. And it is completely logical to expect people searching for the virus to search for "Schmallenberg virus". Nobody would search for plain "Stockholm" and expect to find the "Stockholm syndrome", or search for "Parma" in order to find "Parma ham". --T*U (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
• Strong oppose: I completely agree with T*U. (FMue) 19:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.104.240.233 (talk)

While T*U said that everybody will refer to the virus by using "Schmallenberg Virus" and not "Schmallenberg" alone, there is a google result that says Schmallenberg in sheep and Schmallenberg in the UK. T*U also explains a similar thing as when searching for Stockholm syndrome as just Stockholm that would be non-useful and nonsense, and I agree with him. However Stockholm is a famous city know even by most non-Swedes. It plays major roles in everyday life such being a capital of a major developed European country and being Sweden's largest and most interesting city. Somewhat on the flipside Schmallenberg is a much much much less noticeable city. Although it looks like a beautiful very clean and green city and is somewhat notable locally it plays a near zero role in everyday life. Most North Rhine Westphalians still have not heard of it. It is somewhat non-notable city in Germany. And I absolutely do not mean that is non-notable like a farm, homestead, village, or even a small town of around 5,000 residents. With Parma the situation is somewhat similar with Stockholm as Parma is very noticeable in Italy, not that noticeable in the non-Italian speaking world and plus Parma, Ohio is probably occasionally heard among even Canadians. --Red Icarus of JakartaRed Icarus of Jakarta (talk) 00:22, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Red Icarus of Jakarta: 1) You are completely missing my point. The reason why people do not usually say "I had some nice Parma today" is not that the city is large and important, but that the name of the ham is "Parma ham", not "Parma". By the same token, people will not usually say "my sheep has got Schmallenberg". Wikipedia follows the principle of WP:Commonname, and the common name of the virus is "Schmallenberg virus". In the article about the virus, the word Schmallenberg is mentioned 37 times, 35 of those together with the word "virus" (and one is the town). That is the common use.

2) As I have repeatedly tried to explain on your talk page, this discussion will never reach a conclusion unless you open a formal move request as described at WP:RM#CM. --T*U (talk) 06:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

It is certainly true that there are Google results saying these things. However, this is not an evidence of these wordings being right and true. There are massive amounts of misleading information and wrong citations to be found on Google and on any other search engine. There certainly isn't "(the town of) Schmallenberg" in a sheep but the "Schmallenberg virus". I do understand that among scientists, doctors or university students it will be common to abbreviate the "Schmallenberg virus" to simply "Schmallenberg" for convenience reasons. Still, outside of this circle "Schmallenberg" refers to the town in Germany. Additionally, "Schmallenberg" is the official name of this town while "Schmallenberg virus" only is the informal name of the virus. Since Google may give users the impression of "Schmallenberg" being the name of a virus it is important to provide the correct information on Wikipedia. (FMue) 2:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Oppose: @ T*U and FMue. The name of the town is "Schmallenberg". The (informal) name of the virus is "Schmallenberg virus". See International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses = No matching results. In the year 2015 the companies in the city area Schmallenberg with at least ten beds registered a total of 184.085 guests. --S.Didam (talk) 19:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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