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I added jatav because of a shortage of links.

TruthSeeker811, I disagree with your blanket statement that the section you removed it unsubstantiated. It is fact that the chaturvarna system was the social superstructure of Hindu society - why did you remove that. Untouchability is fact of life even today. How can you claim Dalits/SCs/STs were not actively excluded or barred from society? Valrama 12:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the section because the scheduled castes were not excluded from mainstream society. They were people that lived outside of society and became economically deprived as India progressed. Dalits and scheduled castes are NOT the same although they fall under the same category. We must present things as they are. I don't believe this should be put up since there is no historical claim they were "barred" from society. Also, The original statement has no source.Truthseeker81 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to be corrected[edit]

The reference to the Census of India website needs correction as the site has changed its address to www.censusindia.gov.in and has also been redesigned.

--K N Unni (talk) 11:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC) I would also confirm the fact that DALITS and Scheduled Castes are not same.I would like to mention that atleast in West Bengal there are many scheduled castes not considered as dalits.The introductory line regarding scheduled castes as Dalits should be changed.Ambedkars books are also a reference to the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.225.206 (talk) 21:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

meaning of word 'scheduled'[edit]

I have been trying to figure out the legal definition of the word 'scheduled' in the Indian context, but don't really have a good answer. I think the definition should be included here, once somebody figures out what it is precisely. 82.45.130.213 (talk) 12:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)R.E.D.[reply]

List of Scheduled Castes[edit]

Can we have a list of SCs just like we do have a List of Scheduled Tribes in India. I understand that the list is added/modified from time to time by the President of India and Governors of States. --Nitpit0 (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution/Some problems[edit]

Would it help to create some columns suggesting what percentage of people in scheduled tribes and castes belong to which religion. Right now it seems to just express the proportion of the various religious adherents who belong to either scheduled tribes or castes compared to total number of said religious adherents in the entire country (for instance, 32.8% of Christians are members of a scheduled tribe, but of all scheduled tribes people, 10.06% are Christians, which is unrelated. This number is arrived by multiplying the number found in the column for proportion of christians in the Tribe column by the number of christians in India, and comparing it to the total population of people belonging to scheduled tribes. Similarly, Muslims would form 0.89% of all Scheduled Tribes people, and Sikhs form 0.23% of the total Scheduled tribe population, Hindus 97.67% [Number doesn't seem possibly correct], Buddhists 0.79% and Jains 0.14%. I can't find any number on Gonds). The numbers seem a little difficult to comprehend atm. But doing this might be OR.

In addition, considering 80% of 1.2 billion Indians are Hindu, and 9.1% of these are members of Scheduled tribes, it seems impossible that a third of Christians (who comprise 2.3% of 1.2 billion Indians) also belong to scheduled tribes as well, because this would form 10% of the scheduled tribes population, and nearly 98% of them are already Hindu (if Scheduled tribes people do infact form 7.5% of the population). Adding the numbers above leads to 109.78%, and this doesn't even include Gonds. The only potential explanation is that many people follow multiple religions, is this common?

So, should the numbers on the page be taken seriously, should more be done to explain them? The main areas of interest in them seems to be the fact that a third of all christians are members of scheduled tribes and that 90% of Buddhists are members of scheduled castes, but without an internal religious group breakdown which might be further enlightening. Is the problem a lack of sources? 99.236.234.224 (talk) 05:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Definition[edit]

The article does not provide a definition of schedule caste or schedule tribe. It provides statistics on SC, ST and OBC. But the accepted definition, based on which an individual can be recognized as belonging to SC, ST or OBC group, is not given. Can somebody add that definition along with reliable references? - Subh83 (talk | contribs) 04:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is pretty complex: each state and union territory has its own legislation. - Sitush (talk) 16:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name move[edit]

I moved the name to the capitalized form since that is the form used in the article, in publications in India and by the Indian government. Since India uses English as an official language we should follow local usage in articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Un referenced lines[edit]

The edit gives a particular reference . But the reference hold only half of the information . The remaining are the anonymous user's unreferenced lines . Requesting the user to give proper citation for it or remove the content . Commons sibi (talk) 10:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image Remove[edit]

2011 Census Dalit caste distribution map India by state and union territory Image not match with page article. Image show dalit data but Scheduled Castes are not Dalit. Original Data Publish By Government of India Census of India 2011 Primary Census Abstract Scheduled Castes & Scheduled Tribes show Scheduled Castes data. --Bongan (talk) 10:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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section on transfer of property[edit]

There should be a section on the article which details how many states and even the constitution prohibits free transfer of immovable property on tribal land.

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Chotanagpur-Tenancy-CNT-Act

Karnataka Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prohibition of Transfer of Certain Lands) Act, 1978

Mhveinvp (talk) 19:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Basar, Dr Topi (2016-12-03). "Alienation Of Tribal Land Is Not Just A Legal But Cultural Issue". www.livelaw.in. Retrieved 2019-04-03.
^ "Controlled land-transfer, the Meghalaya way". www.telegraphindia.com. Retrieved 2019-04-03.

"List of Scheduled Castes" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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[1] Basar, Dr Topi (2016-12-03). "Alienation Of Tribal Land Is Not Just A Legal But Cultural Issue". www.livelaw.in. Retrieved 2019-04-03.

[2] "Controlled land-transfer, the Meghalaya way". www.telegraphindia.com. Retrieved 2019-04-03.

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