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Sources for Tregelles[edit]

Hi, A.B.,

Although the Tregelles article doesn't yet have any reference section (and no citation except EB 1911), if you have a citation for the Newton material, it would be nice to include it. Thanks, John Foxe (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Another_berean"

Financial support of publications is from p 29 of Fromow's book (already referenced) p 43 of same book refers to Tregelles being Newton's cousin. Its through marriage according to other references (I will check later)

his conversion through Newton http://www.victorianweb.org/religion/plymouth.html

cousin and champion http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/humanity_bruce.pdf

both post tribulationists : http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet/debate2_4b.html

Do you have Fromow's book? Its available from http://www.sgat.org/shop/Books%20F.htm

and there are specific books by Tregelles in http://www.sgat.org/shop/Books%20T.htm

I will leave the edits to you, it seems you have a much keener interest in Tregelles. My interest is in Newton who at least had a few friends around during and after his battle with Darby. I had to change the page as it came across as though he was a Darby supporter--Another berean (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the reference that it was through marriage may be wrong. According to Fromow , Newton first met his cousin around 1835. Newton married in 1832, Tregelles in 1839. I will change the entry to cousin --Another berean (talk) 15:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, this web site about Wigram, Darby's staunch ally, states that Tregelles and Newton were cousins through marriage. http://www.bible-researcher.com/bib-w.html --Another berean (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, especially for pointing me to Fromow. I prefer dead tree sources to electronic when I can get them.--John Foxe (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of name?[edit]

Does anyone know whether Tregelles rhymes with gazelles or jellies? I'm guessing the g is hard. Koro Neil (talk) 20:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The name seems to be Cornish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.127.7 (talk) 13:23, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Over the years many have wondered about the correct pronunciation of Tregelles' unique surname. The name is of Cornish origin and is pronounced with stress on the second syllable: Tre-gel-les."[1] This note is helpful, but unfortunately whoever wrote it didn't realize that it leaves some ambiguity still. It would seem that the name perhaps rhymes with Ellis rather than with jellies? Apparently Tregellas is an alternate spelling (as in Walter Hawken Tregellas), which would support that. Wareh (talk) 19:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

unaware of Lachmann?[edit]

"unaware for many years that his work was paralleling that of German philologist and textual critic, Karl Lachmann"

No source given. Whether true or not, his first major work has Lachmann in the title, references his theories extensively, and has a bit about the meeting with Lachmann as well. Thus, this needs removal. It could be restored with a reference, although that would likely be close to irrelevant, if his first published work extensively includes Lachmann material.

Lawrence Hurtado has this comment in one of his papers.

The King James Bible and Biblical Scholarship (The Ethel Wood Lecture, 2011) L. W. Hurtado (University of Edinburgh) http://larryhurtado.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/kjv-and-biblical-scholarship1.pdf "In addition to numerous other published works, his critical edition of the Greek NT appeared 1857-79, based on critical principles that he had published earlier. Without knowing it, Tregelles’ critical principles matched remarkably those of Lachmann."

And I wrote to Hurtado about it and he said he wrote the paper quickly and can not recall his source and may have been misled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenAvery.ny (talk • contribs) 14:02, 30 January 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking on that.--John Foxe (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tregelles, Samuel Prideaux[edit]

This article eventually (at the very end) mentions my recent biography of Tregelles (Timothy C F Stunt, Life and Times of S P Tregelles) but clearly hasn't used it. It would (for example) have saved the writer from saying that Tregelles translated Gesenius's Hebrew Grammar when in fact he translated Gesenius's Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon. My book also explains more fully Tregelles's relationship and initial ignorance of Lachmann's work. My book is the only full biography of the scholar. 2601:6C5:8101:8E50:F87F:1347:3B34:5E8 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's no reason why you can't edit the article yourself, citing your own book. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness. John Foxe (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]