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Entrance Music[edit]

Now I could be wrong, but isn't Samoa Joe's entrance music an instrumental version of Simon Says by Pharoahe Monch which contains an uncleared sample of Akira Infukube's Godzilla Orchestral?

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The entrance is a version of "Godzilla comes ashore"!!!!!! NOT THE GODZILLA MARCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbWnyMDfq-Y you may listen to it clicking this link. Also by Akira Ifukube - but again it is NOT the *Godzilla march* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk-axdCNz-w but *Gojira comes ashore* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbWnyMDfq-Y

thank you and good night. btw Samoa Joe is the best!!!!!!!!! 77.3.128.228 (talk) 04:46, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Chimeraplex?[edit]

How often has Samoa Joe used the Chimeraplex outside of japan? I seen the clips on his website and most of his TNA career, and i can't recall him using it in the USA...

he used it to win his Frontier Wrestling Alliance match in england against The Zebra Kid --- Paulley 19:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He's hit a third or two thirds of it several times in ROH, I clearly remember him doing so during Joe vs. Punk II Tromboneguy0186 02:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Won the ROH Pure Championship from Jay Lethal with it.
↪Lakes (Talk) 06:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed topic[edit]

Someone deleted the whole thing posting that Samoa Joe fears UMAGA, so I fixed it... and the person that did that, is a complete Bonafied idiot!--Tommyspud 00:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image removal[edit]

I wonder why the image was removed as it sets an important event that he was the CHAMPION so im baffled by it was removed.It also marks a milestone in his career of ROH so any explaination on why it was removed would be helpful.

The image was removed because it no longer exist on wikipedia... the image properly was in breech of copyright thus it was deleted... hope that helps --- Paulley

Real name[edit]

Why is Joe's real name gone?

it's not??? ---- Paulley
Nuufolau Joel (Joe) Seanoa has changed to just Joe Seanoa. Planetstasiak 03:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
oh right, sorry i hadnt noticed -- Paulley

Cleanup[edit]

Ok, I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be easier to cleanup the TNA section of Joe's article by seperating it into each year? NasDestiny 04:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol well ok its in two sections now... still looks like a jumble of week by week... infact it looks like two jumbles of week by week --- Paulley

Alright, well in that case I'll try to start cleaning it up, by condensing or eliminating stuff. NasDestiny 16:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

I've been cleaning up the TNA section of the article, and it occured to me that there should be a personal section of the article. We can include that Joe is a dancer, as well as a mortgage dealer.NasDestiny 05:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Match of the year[edit]

Where was this match(Kenta Kobashi) declared match of the year. If you're saying PWI, I gotta a magazine in my hand that says otherwise. The 2005 match of the year was kurt angle vs shawn michaels at wrestlemania, joe's match with Kobashi got just a blip on that poll.

If someone feels that runner thing is wrong could you please explain why you removed it, otherwise I'm changing it back to runner match.

The Match of the year was declared by the wrestling observer newsletter, not PWI. Also, what's the deal with it saying Angle vs. Joe II in Turning Point got 5 stars? I've got the newsletter and it doesn't say that.
69.228.148.125 04:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Denna Who?[edit]

Who's Denna, Samoa Joe's wife (I think?)--989 RVD 21:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joe's not married. He's dating someone. NasDestiny 14:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Does anybody know why Joes Choke hold is named afer a kind of rock???

Because it sounds cool? 声援 -- The Hybrid 03:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is a stretch, but it may be a reference to the Rose Atoll in American Samoa. The atoll is comprised primarily of coquina. dil 13:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Funny I always thought it was spelled "Kokina" and was a bit of a tribute to Yokozuna who wrestled as "Kokina Maximus" before joining the WWF. MPJ-DK 11:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's spelled Coquina on his profile page at the TNA website. I would understand "Kokina" if Rodney had ever used a similar submission hold, but (as far as I can recall) he was always a power-move wrestler. It could also be that "Kokina" is just a phonetic transliteration of the same word. dil 18:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference issue[edit]

From a previous hidden comment in the "personal life" section [1], I fixed a reference from an intervew by TNAwrestling.com which supported the claim he had worked as a morgage broker (see: [2]), however the article previously claimed this had occured on the May 13, 2006 edition of Impact! and the link provided is from an interview dated from September 2005. The only other interview provided, dated from January 2006, makes no mention of the claim or the Impact! episode. MadMax 12:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tryout match with the WWF[edit]

He had a try-out match for the wwe on an episode of wwf jakked agianst essa rios.

According to imdb.com ([3]), Samoa Joe was on WWF Jakked in 1999 although there's nothing to indicate weither it was a tryout match or that he faced Essa Rios (although several fansites support this [4]/[5], none are considered reliable sources). MadMax 20:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Essa Rios name wasn't debuted until early 2000 and being as Samoa Joe's first match was in December 99 (according to our article) so IMDB are plain wrong. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The year was 2001 (February 26th to be precise) as supported by the history of WWE and yes Samoa Joe did face Essa Rios on Jakked, but to claim it was a "try out match" is reading something into it we don't know - Christopher Daniels and Low Ki both did stints on Jakked & Heat as jobbers without it being "try outs". If necessary note that he did have a single match, note the date (& airdate 3.3.2001) if need be and leave it at that if it's mentioned at all MPJ-DK 23:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I consider this a reliable source on that it happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igb7VdO_FEI. –– Lid(Talk) 02:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can't put YouTube as a reliable source - besides the fact that the match happened is not in question, that's confirmable several places. But the statement that it was a "try out" match is not supported anywhere that I know off. MPJ-DK 06:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just watched Straight Shooting with Samoa Joe to see Joe says, and judging by his implications it wasn't a try out match and was just thrown together in that Rios needed an opponent for a Jakked match which Joe was volunteered to. –– Lid(Talk) 09:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

The link to The White Online is a independent student newspaper, however if this is an inappropriate link similar to a fansite please feel free to remove it. Also, the official website was not removed from the article and was instead moved to the infobox. MadMax 20:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool, I hadn't realised his website had gone in the infobox. I've removed the google groups with link to WWI interview per WP:EXT and restored the free-use image. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth[edit]

I think we need a source for wherever Joe was born. I've found a few 'suggestions' that he may actually not have been born in American Samoa but nothing citeable as yet. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 12:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SLAM! Wrestling and IMDb.com claim his birthplace as Orange County, California. MadMax 13:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kool, the Slam! Sports one will do for referencing the change. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 13:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

What a crappy picture. 153.106.4.94 19:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ref List[edit]

The Reference List has a lot from "Marcus Cygny" when in fact his name is "Marcus Cygy". Someone mispelled his name and it needs to be fixed.

Its done. Nenog 01:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Better Image[edit]

We need a better image for the top of the page because the current one is very distorted and cloudy. 209.247.21.121 02:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Hype-TDB 07:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tag team champs samoa joe and who?[edit]

why has he not chose a partner or will he have one?

He will be defending the tag and X devision titles against Angle at Hard Justice, so there won't be a second tag champ until after that PPV. The Hybrid 16:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pro Wrestling NOAH[edit]

Is there a source to back up the announcement that Joe will be wrestling (or at least making an appearance) for Pro Wrestling NOAH? No date is given for when the announcement supposedly was delivered, and there is no mention of Joe or his upcoming debut for the promotion listed on their English website. The only thing that looks true so far is that NOAH will be holding a show on Oct 25 in Yokohama. Nenog 02:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scrolling references violates Wikipedia style guidelines[edit]

Please note that the scrolling reference list in this article violates a Wikipedia style guideline which says: "Scrolling reference lists should never be used, because of issues with readability, accessibility, printing, and site mirroring. Additionally, it cannot be guaranteed that such reference lists will display properly in all web browsers." See Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How_to_cite_sources -- Boracay Bill 00:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joe's gonna kill you[edit]

Should there be a mention of the infamous chant? What about "f**k him up Joe"? Just curious; I don't want to add it in if there's more established precedent that it shouldn't be in there. Anthony Hit me up... 13:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be listed on here but got moved over to his page on Wikiquotes. Nenog 14:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, although I think there should still be some mention of it somewhere in the article; further still, it's not technically his quote, just one about him. Oh well, my question was answered. Anthony Hit me up... 20:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


WCW[edit]

I heard he was in WCW in 1995. This true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.65.145 (talk) 11:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering he was only 16 in 1995 and didn't debut until 1999, I doubt it. TJ Spyke 01:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turning Point Shoot Promo on Scott Hall[edit]

can someone please update this to include the now Infamous "Turning Point 2007" Shoot Promo as well the events that occurred that night which included an interview segment that show Joe being angry as well as the backstage segment involving Kurt Angle and the backstage segment with Kevin Nash that may have followed with a off screen fight between the two. --Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 08:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think calling it "infamous" might be over doing it a little. Nenog (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WWE RUMORS[edit]

Please do not post rumors. Please only post reliably sourced info. I have requested protection.LessThanClippers (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was my bad. I posted what I heard from a NOW unreliable source and next time Ill get more proof before posting if I hear something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.147.89 (talk) 03:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One point of reference might be his MySpace page. His last comment about this was that he was staying with TNA. Joe usually treats his fans well. --Skyhawker666 (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability, MySpace is NOT a reliable source. Cheers, LAX 11:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moves[edit]

I took out the "innovated" part of facewash in the moves list. Shinjiro Otani was doing it before Joe. Rebel Dream (talk) 21:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ROH is not an officially recognized World title by PWI[edit]

I removed the part where it is because the citation, the ROH results page, only says that Joe beat the Zebra Kid, not that the match led PWI to officially recognize the belt as a World title. If you need further proof that the ROH World title is not officially recognized by PWI, check out the article World Heavyweight Championship. The ROH Title is listed under "Titles not recognized by PWI." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 02:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Joe is best known for his achievements in Ring of Honor"[edit]

There is no way that Joe's time in ROH is more known to more people than his time in TNA. TNA is on national television with millions of viewers. Surely this should be reworked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.14.247 (talk) 21:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I would agree that he is best known from ROH. No one knew of him until his classic with low ki. He is a ROH bred wrestler and mostly recognized from his almost 2 year reign as ROH champion and his one hour four star match with CM Punk. Even John Cena stole "The Champ is here" from Joe's ROH title reign catch phrase. As far as TNA goes, "millions" of people is not correct, A million is more accurate and TNA has a tv deal yes but a huge fan following? Absolutely not. Not to mention their utilization of Joe hasn't been all that great.

I believe Joe is more known for TNA by occasional fans but hardcore fans know he is more known for being in ROH. Also TNA reaches more than a Million. They've had a rating of 1.7 at one point which is in the Millions of estimated people watching iMPACT!.--WillC (talk) 01:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1.7 at one point, i see, but that is not the average at all. it is consistantly at about 1.0-1.2 and only 20,000 buys on ppv. And occasional fans don't watch TNA either, TNA has done nothing in 6 years to get a sole fan base outside of just wrestling fans. and yes it is just slightly over a million viewers. it is not 2 million or more (which would be multiple millions). As an example, even though CM Punk accomplished more in ROH than he has in WWE I would certainly say he is more recognized as a WWE wrestler as opposed to an ROH wrestler because of WWE's mainstream rep. However in the case of samoa joe, TNA just doesn't have that mainstream fan base. For that matter, they never will... until they remove the suck from their programing.

Actually, Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk II for the ROH World Title that went to a one hour draw was a 5 star rated match by Meltzer. Why isn't that listed in his accomplishments? And Punk doesn't have it in his accomplishments either. Shenanigans! TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


joe's other 5 star matches[edit]

How come only the kobashi match is listed under the WON awards section? Where's the Punk and Triple Threat matches? Herotastic (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because people are stupid. TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well then let's edit them in Herotastic (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IWA[edit]

I have a question about the IWA section. I think that is a irrelevant section, Joe had only one match, I think that the section must be erased. Joe had a lot of matches in other promotions, like PWG, but aren't in the article. Why this match at IWA is so important?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:04, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, he's had many more important matches in places like PWG, Great Britain, Mexico and Germany that aren't in the article. I'd have no problem with it being removed.Ribbon Salminen (talk) 01:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, we can create a new section called "Independent circuit" or "Other promotions", including PWG, Mexico... and IWA.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I went and threw something quick together about PWG, IWA:MS, Mexico and Europe and also included the IWA bit in it. I think TNA, ROH and Japan are by far the three things he's best known for, but eveything else can be summarized in this section.Ribbon Salminen (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WWE employee[edit]

Please add the "

" template. 86.169.245.83 (talk) 18:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Already done —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2015[edit]

Now Joe has joined the WWE, please add the WWE Employee template to his article.

194.28.124.55 (talk) 03:18, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Already done —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2015[edit]

Please add that WWE calls the Coquina Clutch the Kokina Clutch ZacMA15Plus (talk) 03:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2015[edit]

On May 9, 2015 Rhyno defeated Samoa Joe to retain his Midwest Heavyweight Championship at XICW "Best In Detroit 10" at Imperial House in Clinton Township, Michigan. Source: http://www.xicwdetroit.com/index.php/best-in-detroit-10-results/ YeahResident (talk) 19:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —Skyllfully (talk | contribs) 03:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2015[edit]

weight edit to 282 lb - current nxt billed Mcoles92 (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2016[edit]

The preface to the "Entrance themes" lines in "In wrestling" section talks about the Godzilla march intro in Samoa Joe's themes. It reads as follows:

    • Samoa Joe's various entrance themes in the past were typically customized to start with the "Godzilla March Theme" horn riff, signifying Joe's presence while allowing for different tracks over the years. TNA would adopt a variation of this tradition, starting their custom themes for Joe with a similar riff Except For WWE.

The problem comes in the latter sentence about the variation of the tradition, in which the sentence is abruptly cut into with "Except For WWE". Aside from this being bad grammar, it is also false, as WWE has its own intro riff for Joe which is roughly similar to the Godzilla intro in a different way than TNA's is—the cadence is different but it is a horn riff with an ominous tone like the original.

Therefore, I propose that section be changed to this:

    • Samoa Joe's various entrance themes in the past were typically customized to start with the "Godzilla March Theme" horn riff, signifying Joe's presence while allowing for different tracks over the years. TNA and WWE would each adopt a variation of this tradition, starting their custom themes for Joe with similar riffs.

How's that? 73.204.231.72 (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heritage[edit]

I was expecting to read something about his Samoan heritage in Personal life, but there is absolutely nothing there. Which Samoa is he from—American or the other one? What is his family story in moving to the States? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

His voice acting in Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series[edit]

Since i can't edit that page, it would be wise for someone to add that he was the voice of "Beast" in 2014's Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series. He is credited on IMDB as well with his real name.

Thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragoonhead (talk • contribs) 20:41, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Universal title[edit]

Samoa Joe is supposed to be walking out of Summerslam with the Universal Championship FlashGaming (talk) 19:06, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018[edit]

WHere it says "Joe established himself in ROH from the promotion's beginning in 2002, holding the ROH World Championship for a record 21 months from May 2003 to December 2004" on the profile of Samoa Joe, the time span equals 19 months, not 21 months. Please correct that 132.26.121.35 (talk) 17:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected the article. He did indeed hold the title for 21 months, because he won it in March 2003. I've adjusted the sentence accordingly. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart

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Voice acting in Dota 2[edit]

Samoa Joe is officially creditted as the voice actor of a Voice Pack for the Dota 2 Hero, Juggernaut. The credits can be found in-game 5.147.55.100 (talk) 12:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021[edit]

Samoa Joe is best known for his time in TNA Wrestling 77.101.251.26 (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2021[edit]

He is no longer NXT Champion he relinquished it because of injury. 2600:1700:1DB0:900:18D:CDF1:640F:BEA1 (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:54, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Billed Weight[edit]

Currently as of December 30 2023, Samoa Joe is being announced at a weight of 310 lbs rather than the current displayed weight of 282 lbs 2A02:C7E:2E10:900:DDF6:FAAA:1F7D:53D8 (talk) 05:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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