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Comments[edit]

I recommend this stub as a candidate for speedy deletion. There are hundreds of these social clubs claiming descent from everyone since Adam (altho they might more properly claim descent from Lucy!) masquerading as genealogical societies or military orders: they have nothing to do with either. Doubtless they would all like their group listed in Wikipedia for their own glory.

If this group is worthy of note, then I recommend that it be added to its entry under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_chivalry although I frankly believe that this page too is a mistake.

Orders of knighthood should be listed by country and by the monarch who created and maintains them. Certainly, Britain's Queen Elizabeth maintains an order of knighthood for those deemed worthy of inclusion. But membership is by order of the Queen, not by membership application and all such individuals are already public figures, such as Sir Sean Connery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery

I further recommend that a disambiguation article be written on pseudo-genealogical social clubs to distinguish them from real genealogical groups (such as the New England Genealogical Society), and to distinguish these pseudo-military orders from real military orders (such as the US Army Rangers). Wikipedia should expect that these pseudo-military orders will seek Wikipedia entries again and again. Seeking such a listing goes along with the feelings of inferiority that leads those who belong to these clubs to seek to prove their genealogy so as to gain admission to their little social club. ````

The above unsigned comment is rife with factual errors:

1) The Sacred Military Constantinian Order is not a "social club".

2) The US Army Rangers is not a "military order". It is a military unit.

3) The SMCO is not a genealogical ("pseudo" or otherwise) group. It does not require proof of geneaology for admission in the categories of grace or merit (or even in some instances in the category of justice.)

4) "Feelings of inferiority..." etc. is an ad hominem attack, and is not a proveable or quantifiable statement.

5) The author of the above comment does not appear to be entirely familiar with what an Order of Chivalry is. He/she mentions that Queen Elizabeth II maintains "an order" of knighthood. She "maintains" several different orders. His acceptance of her "order of knighthood" (sic) contradicts his belief that the article of the same name is a "mistake".

6) This Order of Chivalry was founded by a reigning monarch, and is maintained by his legitimate successor. The rights of deposed, non-abdicating monarchs to their heritable properties, including their chivalric orders, are protected by international law, beginning with the Congress of Vienna

71.85.151.177 (talk) 05:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)Chevalier3[reply]

This article may need checking[edit]

Guy Stair Sainty has edited this article much and he has authored very pro-Infante Carlos articles outside of Wikipedia, so his contributions should be reviewed. - Gennarous (talk) 18:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is "fictively established"? - not good English, for a start!

What about "according to legend, it was established"?203.184.41.226 (talk) 08:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Taking sides[edit]

The article seems to simply take the Don Carlos side in the dispute - it says that Prince Carlo's renunciation cannot have possibly applied to the Constantinian order. Presumably the other two claimants hold different interpretations on this. I assume Guy Stair Sainty was involved in putting the article in its current form. This is a bit problematic - Sainty obviously knows a lot about the subject, but he is also a partisan of the Calabrian side in the Two Sicilies succession dispute; he shouldn't be taken as a disinterested observer. It would be useful if we could do a better job on this. john k (talk) 18:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why still here?[edit]

Article was recommended for deletion in 2008 and has copyright issues and it is still here? Why? It is clearly not a real, recognized order that benefits only Bailey 2601:989:4200:88D:0:0:0:BD05 (talk) 07:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bailey is involved in a "rival" parallel organization based on the fact that there are two people who claim to head the House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. It will take some work to make this clear. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 23:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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CoI edits[edit]

In these edits we have a new editor removing stuff that one major faction in the current dispute won't like. I have reverted it. Hunc (talk) 15:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]