Talk:Runwala

Need to improve the article by addendum from reliable source

hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 11:20, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Need to improve the article by addendum from reliable source

Any additions are heartily welcome but please constraint yourself from adding non reliable data especially on this page which is not only about a clan but a history article too.hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 11:23, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Orgin

I propose below as in consensus with the user Ravinrowell. Ravinrowell, you should add references to what you want to add and if there is any conflict, it should be put here on talk page.

The term Rohillas are Muslim highlander tribes Rohillas ( Roh stands for mountains and Rohilla literally means mountaineer). Another similar etymology comes from the Sanskrit Language in which Rohi is a sankrit word derived from “Aarohi Avrohi” which means ascending and decending order which also denotes slope of a mountain.hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 11:26, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Recent edits

@Friend.hey: Your recent edits are full of unreliable sources, fake citations and pseudo-history:

• People of India link is about "Runwala" -- it does not mention any "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" - fake citation
• rohillataank.com - self-published caste website - not a reliable source
• James Tod - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", and not a reliable source
• The Calcutta Review, Volume 58 - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", and obsolete
• upcscavenger - Wikipedia mirror, not reliable
• Henry Miers Elliot - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", and obsolete
• [1] - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya"
• a blogspot post - not a reliable source
• [2] doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" and not reliable

utcursch | talk 14:51, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch:, let me ask you some open questions, From the account of KS Singh's book, it is clearly mentioned that "The Runwala also called Raula claim that their community name is a corrupt form of Rohila. They were actually the Rohilas, the well known warrior group. Accordingly they claim Rajput descent."

Being a highly active editor, you should respect that one article should not diminish the existence of other by TW:CFD. Moreover, the current article is pointing to "Muslim Rohilla" link, How can two ethnic groups of same name but different religions be linked to the one having Muslim religion.You should not be biased while editing, should you? Isn't it unfair that you are not letting me create an article on original ethnic group of Hindu religion which is completely independent from the other? We should always preserve the appropriate content by WP:PRESERVE trying to fix it instead of distorting history, won't it be disruptive editing? If you don't find a link wiki compliant, we can talk. Please refer the most searched article "Ashoka", it has plethora of debatable facts related to different historians and accounts, but that does not mean we should delete it. We should ask for better citations by refimprove. BTW, it is still marked as semi protected. I want to defend the article against bulk deletion for it is not aligned with WP:DELREVD, WP:MRV.

• People of India link is about "Runwala" -- it does not mention any "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" - It clearly mentions "Rohilas", who are they, the Muslim religion group you linked?
• rohillataank.com - self-published (needs language translation, it is in Hindi)
• James Tod - James Tod not reliable? Please go ahead and contest for his references on permanently protected page Rajput. I see you are personal critic of James but that should not reflect in your editing.
• The Calcutta Review, Volume 58 - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", does it mention "Rohila"?
• upcscavenger - Wikipedia mirror, not reliable, we can ask citation, right?
• Henry Miers Elliot - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", and obsolete - does it mention "Rohila"?
• [3] - doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya", does it mention "Rohila"?
• a blogspot post - It is based on research article.
• [4] doesn't mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" and not reliable. we can ask better citation, right?

Why none but you deleted it in first go without asking for better citations? Don't forget the semi protected article "Ashoka" and merging one community in another religion is blunder w.r.t wiki policies. Please keep neutral point-of-view. Thanks. I know you have a good record to protect articles but I have full faith in arbitration, you are familiar with. --hey_pal (Friend.hey)^(talk) 19:19, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure what "" TW:CFD" is. I'm not stopping you from creating an article on a "original ethnic group of Hindu religion" -- I am objecting to you using fake citations and bogus sources. Feel free to add content about the "original ethnic group of Hindu religion", when you find reliable sources that actually mention this group.

WP:PRESERVE is not applicable to content that violates Verifiability and No original research policies -- your content does exactly that. Comparison to Ashoka is false equivalency - that article has sources that actually mention the term "Ashoka": none of those sources are blog posts or self-published caste glorification websites.

Please see WP:BURDEN. utcursch | talk 19:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Utcursch:, you are a veteran on wiki and you should help others make it a better place for all. I write many articles but here I saw it unfair to suppress one community because of hugely famous another community. There are sources and research articles which are wiki compliant but they are in Hindi language. It is a small community as compared to the other but both should stand equal importance on wiki as ethnic groups. Lastly, Ashoka also asks for better citations instead of the content deletion and james Tod is debatable but exists numerously on wiki like on Rajputs.hey_pal (Friend.hey)^(talk) 19:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I am trying to make Wikipedia a better place, which is why I've spent time objecting to your use of fake citations and bogus sources. Nobody is trying to "suppress" your community -- feel free to add content with reliable sources -- doesn't matter if these sources are in Hindi or any other language.

Have you even read the article Rajput? Here's the only mention of James Tod from that article: "James Tod ... is viewed by many historians since the late nineteenth century as being a not particularly reliable commentator." That's irrelevant, though, because even Tod doesn't mention any "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" or "Rohila" -- the link cited by you only mentions Afghan Rohillas.

And once again, please don't compare your content to the article Ashoka: that article has around 85 reliable citations that actually mention "Ashoka" -- your sources either do not mention "Rohila Tank Kshatriya" or "Hindu Rohilas" at all, or they are unreliable blog posts and caste glorification websites. Find decent sources first, and then add content. utcursch | talk 19:58, 24 March 2018 (UTC)